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Mexico 8 Reales Variety - 1811 Mo-HJ/TH over-assayer

TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 16, 2023 9:11AM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

Years ago I was re-focusing my collection (yet again) and decided that I would no longer collect varieties. That short lapse in judgement cost me a very difficult variety that I sold to a fellow specialized collector - an 1811 Mexico 8 Reales with over-assayers HJ over TH. Afterwards I spent years trying to find another example that was in good enough shape to receive a straight grade from our host. I've picked up a nice AU coin along the way that was cleaned and recently I finally was able to find a lower grade example that certified VF30. Listed as R3 in Yonaka. I especially like this varity because of how clear the over-assayer initials are.

First is the one I bought in 2016 and sold in 2018 with a neat clip:

Second example is AU Cleaned I had as a placeholder in the set and featured in Yonaka's book:

And finally a VF30 I just certified:


  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It may just be a result of the photography, but I find it easier to see the overdate on the two later pieces. Glad to see that your diligent searching has paid off with another straight graded example. Congratulations!

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,503 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2023 7:55PM

    Thanks man. You're right - If you look at die breaks on these 3, it's clear that the first example is the earliest die state (no reverse die breaks) and the assayer initials repair (and the associated dot) are not yet as obvious. In the third coin, you start seeing the die break develop between IND and REX. And the second coin, AU Details one, has both the developed IND REX die break, as well as a new one running across 8R and the first assayer initial. Since the die steel was harder than the metal used to fill the previous assayer initials, over the life of the die the metal in the repair compresses more, making the repair more and more obvious.

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