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Would this be considered and error?

Or is it just part of the amazing quality control from back in the day?

Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA

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    burghmanburghman Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭

    Just a miscut

    Jim

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    Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you!

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
    Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA

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    JolleyWrencherJolleyWrencher Posts: 605 ✭✭✭

    Miscuts can be valuable. I picked up a 2022 panini chronicles flux draft pick Keegan Murray rookie with a perfect front and the wrong back of Kendall Brown upside down and miscut. I'm from Iowa so it's a player I follow more than others.

    I wonder how PSA would grade and label such a card?

    Would be nice if the grade wasn't affected by the miscuts if labeled as a miscut because a PSA10 MC may be more valuable on the market than a PSA10 not MC if it's some unusual and rare phenomenon that collectors desire. Off the cuff thought, likely not an original thought, so there's bound to be drawbacks I didn't ponder.

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    JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JolleyWrencher said:
    Miscuts can be valuable. I picked up a 2022 panini chronicles flux draft pick Keegan Murray rookie with a perfect front and the wrong back of Kendall Brown upside down and miscut. I'm from Iowa so it's a player I follow more than others.

    I wonder how PSA would grade and label such a card?

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    I sent in a 1974 Harmon Killebrew card with Ralph Garrs stats on the back, they refused to grade it.
    I have seen quite a few 1974 cards with wrong backs, I don't see why PSA doesn't grade them.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
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    JolleyWrencherJolleyWrencher Posts: 605 ✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @JolleyWrencher said:
    Miscuts can be valuable. I picked up a 2022 panini chronicles flux draft pick Keegan Murray rookie with a perfect front and the wrong back of Kendall Brown upside down and miscut. I'm from Iowa so it's a player I follow more than others.

    I wonder how PSA would grade and label such a card?

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    I sent in a 1974 Harmon Killebrew card with Ralph Garrs stats on the back, they refused to grade it.
    I have seen quite a few 1974 cards with wrong backs, I don't see why PSA doesn't grade them.

    I hope you held onto it. I wouldn't be surprised if people working for PSA have similar cards as us they would love to see in holders as well. The hard part is probably identifying what is original and what is a fake. Anytime a card ends up in a holder that shouldn't then the company often gets a lot of shame for the mistake. I expect mistakes to be less because of the many step process. I've not heard any, nor am I soliciting folks for, recent mistakes where a card was encapsulated as a fake.

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    GroceryRackPackGroceryRackPack Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:
    They won’t grade these either…

    hey PaulMaul,
    That's Cool.. :) Too bad Don & Wacky can't be encapsulated... :(

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    JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JolleyWrencher said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @JolleyWrencher said:
    Miscuts can be valuable. I picked up a 2022 panini chronicles flux draft pick Keegan Murray rookie with a perfect front and the wrong back of Kendall Brown upside down and miscut. I'm from Iowa so it's a player I follow more than others.

    I wonder how PSA would grade and label such a card?

    >
    I sent in a 1974 Harmon Killebrew card with Ralph Garrs stats on the back, they refused to grade it.
    I have seen quite a few 1974 cards with wrong backs, I don't see why PSA doesn't grade them.

    I hope you held onto it. I wouldn't be surprised if people working for PSA have similar cards as us they would love to see in holders as well. The hard part is probably identifying what is original and what is a fake. Anytime a card ends up in a holder that shouldn't then the company often gets a lot of shame for the mistake. I expect mistakes to be less because of the many step process. I've not heard any, nor am I soliciting folks for, recent mistakes where a card was encapsulated as a fake.

    What's really funny is the card came back a PSA 8 the first time I submitted it.
    They ignored my description and didn't notice the card had the wrong stats on the reverse!
    When I resubmitted explaining that the card was a "wrong back", they said we don't grade them.
    I actually have two of these cards and don't plan on selling either.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
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    daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:

    @GroceryRackPack said:

    @PaulMaul said:
    They won’t grade these either…

    hey PaulMaul,
    That's Cool.. :) Too bad Don & Wacky can't be encapsulated... :(

    Believe it or not, these exist for all 264 1973 baseball cards from the first two series!

    Well of course they do. Think about how they (must have been) made. There must have been a whole sheet of baseball fronts printed on a Wacky back sheet. If you've seen 264, it must have happened more than once. Given the centering matches on front and back, I'd assume all the cards have the same backs.

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    daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @150K said:
    Or is it just part of the amazing quality control from back in the day?

    Cards are different from coins. What would be called an error in the card world would be called a variety in the coin world. What would be called an error in the coin world would be called printer's scrap in the card world.

    Errors as such, like the 1965 Jim Kaat:

    have no special premium.

    PSA won't grade cards like the one in the OP likely because they aren't repeatable. That is there is no listing in any(?) catalog for a Haney/Moose. Print defects, like the most famous 1990 Thomas, can be repeated, and if there were many sheets using the same defective plate, PSA will grade them, and they will be in standard catalogs.

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    pab1969pab1969 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With all of the variations in modern cards grading (rainbow, 1/1, foil, etc.) you think PSA could add "wrong back" to these vintage cards and grade them. I own a 1974 Topps Ken Griffey card in PSA 8 with a wrong back. I would show a picture, but I don't want PSA to remove it from the cert number from the data base before I decide to sell it someday. But really, how hard would it be for them to list it is Ken Griffey Wrong Back.

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    BaltimoreYankeeBaltimoreYankee Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @daltex said:

    @PaulMaul said:

    @GroceryRackPack said:

    @PaulMaul said:
    They won’t grade these either…

    hey PaulMaul,
    That's Cool.. :) Too bad Don & Wacky can't be encapsulated... :(

    Believe it or not, these exist for all 264 1973 baseball cards from the first two series!

    Well of course they do. Think about how they (must have been) made. There must have been a whole sheet of baseball fronts printed on a Wacky back sheet. If you've seen 264, it must have happened more than once. Given the centering matches on front and back, I'd assume all the cards have the same backs.

    I believe SGC would grade those cards as I used to have one graded by SCG with a baseball card front and football back.
    I would love to have one of those baseball front/wacky back cards for the error collection but I've only seen one on eBay and IIRC it was pretty pricey.

    Daniel
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    JolleyWrencherJolleyWrencher Posts: 605 ✭✭✭

    So it's not just me who likes the rarest of "error" cards.

    There is a 1994 scoring kings Jordan with Malone on back that is BGS.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/334831209587?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ukggoib5rwu&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=ae-eOCLFR9S&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

    I think encapsulated and labeled error cards are unique and thus part of a collectors universe.

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    RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 801 ✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:

    @GroceryRackPack said:

    @PaulMaul said:
    They won’t grade these either…

    hey PaulMaul,
    That's Cool.. :) Too bad Don & Wacky can't be encapsulated... :(

    Believe it or not, these exist for all 264 1973 baseball cards from the first two series!

    That's amazing. I've never seen or heard about that.

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    RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 801 ✭✭✭✭

    @pab1969 said:
    But really, how hard would it be for them to list it is Ken Griffey Wrong Back.

    Not hard at all apparently. There's also blank back, grey back, no finger on back, etc.
    It's weird sometimes, the decision made as what will be graded and what won't.



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    JolleyWrencherJolleyWrencher Posts: 605 ✭✭✭

    Good finds. 2 of them are old labels but the first appears to be newer. Leaves us confused. Since it's probably only 1%, or so, of cards people want to grade then maybe it doesn't matter much from a business perspective.

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