the pitch clock is a fantastic thing. game times only exaggerate the further into the postseason we get. on the east coast, when CS and WS games dont start until 8:30 and games are over 4 hours long, it gets old really quick.
TV rating will be better for the playoffs, at least on the Right coast with shorter games.
I still think that baseball should be untimed. That is ingrained into baseball.
But to speed up the game,
I like the following idea...If the pitch clock is used long enough, from little league up to college, then MLB won't need it. Guys will have the muscle memory to play faster. And we could have fast pitchers and slow pitchers and it would be faster than it was.
Why aren't you calling for the elimination of the shot clock or the play clock?
Oh Jeez, because this is a rant page NOT an activist page!
Translation: you've never known a time when there was no shot clock or play clock so you're just used to them. Same way you will be used to the pitch clock 5 years from now.
When you get ready for the baseball game tonight and in the first inning the Astros score 3 and 1 more in the 2nd. and know the Guardians usually score 2 runs the whole game.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@JoeBanzai said:
Because I don't want to be at the ballpark until 2AM.
Funny. Before the clocks in MLB (sounds weird doesn't it?) Games at Progressive field starts at either 6:30 during school season so families can get home early or 7pm. So a 3 hour game would send you home by 10pm - where does this 2AM come in to play? Quit drinking and passing out in the restroom and you can easily make it home by 10:30 pm!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@JoeBanzai said:
Because I don't want to be at the ballpark until 2AM.
Funny. Before the clocks in MLB (sounds weird doesn't it?) Games at Progressive field starts at either 6:30 during school season so families can get home early or 7pm. So a 3 hour game would send you home by 10pm - where does this 2AM come in to play? Quit drinking and passing out in the restroom and you can easily make it home by said 10 pm!
Well I don't drink, so you're wrong there.
Went to a Twins game a couple of years ago. 7:15 start. Took a train in so I wouldn't have to deal with finding a parking spot in downtown Minneapolis on a weekday.
I think a guy named Kyle Gibson pitched for the Twins and he was a slow worker. Opposing pitcher was slow as well. They also seemed to have a lot of meetings on the mound that included the entire infield.
Despite the fact that it was a low scoring game, it took 3 hours to play the first four innings and it started to get cold.
Under normal circumstances, I just leave, but since I took the train, that wasn't an option. There was only one train and it left a half hour after the game ended.
I guess the game DIDN'T ACTUALLY LAST until 2 AM, but it was well after midnight, and then had to wait for quite some time for the train to leave. Then had to drive home from the train station.
When I finally got home it WAS almost 2AM.
To top it off, the Twins lost (I think) and it was the most boring miserable sporting event I have ever been to. That was going to be the last time I went to a baseball game, unless it was a day game.
Maybe you just needed a long story because you're bored and have nothing better to do.
There it is.
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@JoeBanzai said:
Because I don't want to be at the ballpark until 2AM.
Funny. Before the clocks in MLB (sounds weird doesn't it?) Games at Progressive field starts at either 6:30 during school season so families can get home early or 7pm. So a 3 hour game would send you home by 10pm - where does this 2AM come in to play? Quit drinking and passing out in the restroom and you can easily make it home by 10:30 pm!
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3/4 of Cleveland games (118 of 162) in 2022 took 2:49 or longer, the VAST majority of those being over 3:00, including multiple games over 3:30 despite being 9 innings. Assuming 10 minutes to get to your car after the final out, 10 more to get out of the lot, with games often starting at 7:10pm, there's a REALLY good chance you haven't even left the lot by 10:30 let alone gotten home.
Meanwhile, in 2023, 14 of 62 games are 2:49 or longer with just 2 9-inning games over 3 hours. And those games averaged over 16 runs. One game lasted just 1:50.
That's a good thing for families or anybody who goes to a lot of games.
@JoeBanzai said:
Because I don't want to be at the ballpark until 2AM.
Funny. Before the clocks in MLB (sounds weird doesn't it?) Games at Progressive field starts at either 6:30 during school season so families can get home early or 7pm. So a 3 hour game would send you home by 10pm - where does this 2AM come in to play? Quit drinking and passing out in the restroom and you can easily make it home by 10:30 pm!
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3/4 of Cleveland games (118 of 162) in 2022 took 2:49 or longer, the VAST majority of those being over 3:00, including multiple games over 3:30 despite being 9 innings. Assuming 10 minutes to get to your car after the final out, 10 more to get out of the lot, with games often starting at 7:10pm, there's a REALLY good chance you haven't even left the lot by 10:30 let alone gotten home.
Meanwhile, in 2023, 14 of 62 games are 2:49 or longer with just 2 9-inning games over 3 hours. And those games averaged over 16 runs. One game lasted just 1:50.
That's a good thing for families or anybody who goes to a lot of games.
You might find it interesting how inconsistent the clock timing and when it starts has been across mlb all year
Josh Bell is a bust for the Guardians - so far tonight out 2 times with runners in scoring position. While I'm at it - Mike Zunino - 6 Million$ -1 year contract - sent for assignment. 6 Million dollars for a chance - not a gimme - amazing.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Funny - maybe I should bitch about Josh Bell more often - He Hit a home run today to tie the game and the Guardians went on to win 6-1. Problem is it was 2-1 till the 8th, Guards struck for 4 runs but not on any hits, 2 wild pitches and 2 bases loaded walks.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Steven59 said:
Funny - maybe I should bitch about Josh Bell more often - He Hit a home run today to tie the game and the Guardians went on to win 6-1. Problem is it was 2-1 till the 8th, Guards struck for 4 runs but not on any hits, 2 wild pitches and 2 bases loaded walks.
I fondly recall when the Tribe had some hitters........it's been a while
@Steven59 said:
Funny - maybe I should bitch about Josh Bell more often - He Hit a home run today to tie the game and the Guardians went on to win 6-1. Problem is it was 2-1 till the 8th, Guards struck for 4 runs but not on any hits, 2 wild pitches and 2 bases loaded walks.
I fondly recall when the Tribe had some hitters........it's been a while
Kenny Lofton, Carlos Baerga, Albert Belle, Jim Thome.. they had a great core group of guys on the early 90's
Manny, Matt Williams for a year, Justice, Alomar, Sexton/Giles/Burnitz got their starts there, and theres many more. They had an insane amount of hitting until Dolan bought the team and it didnt take him long to gut the payroll and destroy everything
@Basebal21 said:
Manny, Matt Williams for a year, Justice, Alomar, Sexton/Giles/Burnitz got their starts there, and theres many more. They had an insane amount of hitting until Dolan bought the team and it didnt take him long to gut the payroll and destroy everything
@Basebal21 said:
Manny, Matt Williams for a year, Justice, Alomar, Sexton/Giles/Burnitz got their starts there, and theres many more. They had an insane amount of hitting until Dolan bought the team and it didnt take him long to gut the payroll and destroy everything
@Basebal21 said:
Manny, Matt Williams for a year, Justice, Alomar, Sexton/Giles/Burnitz got their starts there, and theres many more. They had an insane amount of hitting until Dolan bought the team and it didnt take him long to gut the payroll and destroy everything
I'll be darn, once again worried about the Gaurdians and they come back in the 9th without Tito to manage and win 2-1. But KC is second worse team in baseball and another 1 run win against a very bad team.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I want to add that, even though Rodman said this, I still think Rodman was a great, unique player and I even think that Rodman would do well in today's game.
@thisistheshow said:
I want to add that, even though Rodman said this, I still think Rodman was a great, unique player and I even think that Rodman would do well in today's game.
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
@Basebal21 said:
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
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I actually think Rodman could, assuming he did what a lot of others did an learned to shoot a 3- which seems lke a job requirement now.
I hated what Rodman said about bird in the 80s, but I hated more how Isiah Thomas latched on. But after that, he seemed to change his tone on Bird at some point. What he said recently was seemingly more for shock value.
Rodman averaged over 25 in college. I know that doesn't translate, but he could score. And his rebounding was not just a freak thing. His athleticism stood out among the world's best basketball players, and he studied it like an art.
@Basebal21 said:
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
... I actually think Rodman could, assuming he did what a lot of others did an learned to shoot a 3- which seems lke a job requirement now.
I hated what Rodman said about bird in the 80s, but I hated more how Isiah Thomas latched on. But after that, he seemed to change his tone on Bird at some point. What he said recently was seemingly more for shock value.
Rodman averaged over 25 in college. I know that doesn't translate, but he could score. And his rebounding was not just a freak thing. His athleticism stood out among the world's best basketball players, and he studied it like an art.
Rodman could definitely play in this era or any era in NBA history.
The guy is arguably the best wing defender in history and that isn't an exaggeration. Not many all time great defenders can guard 1-5 but he could. There are only a handful of defenders in history that could do what he did: Russell,KG,Akeem,Giannis,Draymond,maybe David Robinson.
He led the NBA in rebounding 7x at a time when there were so many all time great rebounders like Bird,Shaq,Mutombo,Barkley,Ewing,Akeem,David Robinson,Karl Malone,Moses,Kareem,Charles Oakley just to name some.
Many people forget but he was capable of hitting threes, he just didn't take them often. Back then the 3 wasn't used like it is now but so many players were more than capable of hitting them.
Rodman would probably never be a league average 3pt shooter at 35% but high 20's/low 30's was definitely realistic. Most,if not all, NBA teams would take that percentage from a nonshooter especially if the guy is providing the effort,defense & rebounding that Rodman brought to the table.
Now on the other hand,his opinions on literally any topic, I'd take with a grain of salt. Who knows how much toxins from all of that hair dye seeped into that brain of his. 😎
@Basebal21 said:
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
... I actually think Rodman could, assuming he did what a lot of others did an learned to shoot a 3- which seems lke a job requirement now.
I hated what Rodman said about bird in the 80s, but I hated more how Isiah Thomas latched on. But after that, he seemed to change his tone on Bird at some point. What he said recently was seemingly more for shock value.
Rodman averaged over 25 in college. I know that doesn't translate, but he could score. And his rebounding was not just a freak thing. His athleticism stood out among the world's best basketball players, and he studied it like an art.
Rodman could definitely play in this era or any era in NBA history.
The guy is arguably the best wing defender in history and that isn't an exaggeration. Not many all time great defenders can guard 1-5 but he could. There are only a handful of defenders in history that could do what he did: Russell,KG,Akeem,Giannis,Draymond,maybe David Robinson.
He led the NBA in rebounding 7x at a time when there were so many all time great rebounders like Bird,Shaq,Mutombo,Barkley,Ewing,Akeem,David Robinson,Karl Malone,Moses,Kareem,Charles Oakley just to name some.
Many people forget but he was capable of hitting threes, he just didn't take them often. Back then the 3 wasn't used like it is now but so many players were more than capable of hitting them.
Rodman would probably never be a league average 3pt shooter at 35% but high 20's/low 30's was definitely realistic. Most,if not all, NBA teams would take that percentage from a nonshooter especially if the guy is providing the effort,defense & rebounding that Rodman brought to the table.
Now on the other hand,his opinions on literally any topic, I'd take with a grain of salt. Who knows how much toxins from all of that hair dye seeped into that brain of his. 😎
I like your list of defenders. A lot of people neglect the greatness of the admiral.
Rodman averaged almost 12 a game his second year. Shot 25% from 3 with Detroit. He basically stopped trying on offense because he was so good defensively and didn't need to score. You know, the same kind of thing people bring up when it's pointed out that Bill Russell averaged only 15 a game.
Rodman was a athletic freak and he absolutely would excel today. He'd average 16 rebounds a game if an out-of-shape (relatively) unathletic guy like Luka can average 9. He'd get you 8-12 points, 16 rebounds, and play great defense.
@Basebal21 said:
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
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I actually think Rodman could, assuming he did what a lot of others did an learned to shoot a 3- which seems lke a job requirement now.
I hated what Rodman said about bird in the 80s, but I hated more how Isiah Thomas latched on. But after that, he seemed to change his tone on Bird at some point. What he said recently was seemingly more for shock value.
Rodman averaged over 25 in college. I know that doesn't translate, but he could score. And his rebounding was not just a freak thing. His athleticism stood out among the world's best basketball players, and he studied it like an art.
He's certainly very athletic but it doesnt change the 7.2 ppg or the 52.1 percent shooting free throws. Do I think he could play today sure, but it would be more on a stacked team or just come playoff time without significant changes in his game. He would be a much lesser name aside from being so weird anyways.
I really wasnt saying that he couldnt, just that between him and Bird who he said he is the one more likely to fail with his lack of shooting skills
@Basebal21 said:
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
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I actually think Rodman could, assuming he did what a lot of others did an learned to shoot a 3- which seems lke a job requirement now.
I hated what Rodman said about bird in the 80s, but I hated more how Isiah Thomas latched on. But after that, he seemed to change his tone on Bird at some point. What he said recently was seemingly more for shock value.
Rodman averaged over 25 in college. I know that doesn't translate, but he could score. And his rebounding was not just a freak thing. His athleticism stood out among the world's best basketball players, and he studied it like an art.
He's certainly very athletic but it doesnt change the 7.2 ppg or the 52.1 percent shooting free throws. Do I think he could play today sure, but it would be more on a stacked team or just come playoff time without significant changes in his game. He would be a much lesser name aside from being so weird anyways.
I really wasnt saying that he couldnt, just that between him and Bird who he said he is the one more likely to fail with his lack of shooting skills
If Rodman played today,whoever is the GM on the team he played for would definitely adjust their roster around Rodman's strengths & weaknesses. His strengths are so elite that most teams wouldn't even think twice about his weaknesses,they'd just work around them. He'd either play the 4 with a center that could space the floor or he'd be a smallball 5, where players usually range anywhere from 6-5 to 6-9, and put 4 shooters around him .
Not every team has a starting five where they all put up a ton of points per game especially at the 4/5 positions. Many teams have starters that score under 10PPG and many have starters that shoot FTs in the .50-60% range.
Its not really about just scoring points,its about keeping the defense honest where they need to account for all 5 players on offense.
Dennis didn't have a problem scoring he just let everyone else take the shots but he'd drive to the rim,shoot a 15 footer or take a three if they were available.
Draymond Green is a guy who has averaged 7-8ppg in each of the previous 5 seasons where he also shot high 20's/low 30's from three yet he still makes an impact on games.
Rudy Gobert is another who is a career 12ppg scorer with a pretty awful FT percentage and has never hit a single three in 10 seasons yet still makes an impact.
Then you have someone like Ben Simmons,who is a similar player to the three above but who wouldn't take those same shots including point blank dunks at the rim.It got so deep into his head during the 2021 playoffs that two years later he hasn't recovered. He went from being a 15/7/7/2 guy who played 1st team All-Defense but was a terrible FT shooter to a guy with the yips who now makes up injury excuses to sit out of games and averages just 6/6/6 when he does play. He made 35M this past season.
If Rodman was playing in this era he'd be making 30+m/yr,he'd still bring elite rebounding/defense,he'd probably still be near the topof the league in techs/ejections and there would definitely be plenty of fans questioning if he was worth his salary due to the lack of scoring production.
Can't wait untill Friday when baseball resumes. I find listening to the Guardians on the radio while working in the garden during the evening is a very enjoyable duo.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I kinda blame Rodman for bringing them into the "mainstream", for lack of a better term.
It's gotten silly, you got cops walking around with full sleeves and they look stupid, I got no problems with a couple tattoos, I have one on my shoulder but it's taken to the extreme with most people nowadays
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the pitch clock is a fantastic thing. game times only exaggerate the further into the postseason we get. on the east coast, when CS and WS games dont start until 8:30 and games are over 4 hours long, it gets old really quick.
TV rating will be better for the playoffs, at least on the Right coast with shorter games.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I still think that baseball should be untimed. That is ingrained into baseball.
But to speed up the game,
I like the following idea...If the pitch clock is used long enough, from little league up to college, then MLB won't need it. Guys will have the muscle memory to play faster. And we could have fast pitchers and slow pitchers and it would be faster than it was.
Translation: you've never known a time when there was no shot clock or play clock so you're just used to them. Same way you will be used to the pitch clock 5 years from now.
When you get ready for the baseball game tonight and in the first inning the Astros score 3 and 1 more in the 2nd. and know the Guardians usually score 2 runs the whole game.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Funny. Before the clocks in MLB (sounds weird doesn't it?) Games at Progressive field starts at either 6:30 during school season so families can get home early or 7pm. So a 3 hour game would send you home by 10pm - where does this 2AM come in to play? Quit drinking and passing out in the restroom and you can easily make it home by 10:30 pm!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Well I don't drink, so you're wrong there.
Went to a Twins game a couple of years ago. 7:15 start. Took a train in so I wouldn't have to deal with finding a parking spot in downtown Minneapolis on a weekday.
I think a guy named Kyle Gibson pitched for the Twins and he was a slow worker. Opposing pitcher was slow as well. They also seemed to have a lot of meetings on the mound that included the entire infield.
Despite the fact that it was a low scoring game, it took 3 hours to play the first four innings and it started to get cold.
Under normal circumstances, I just leave, but since I took the train, that wasn't an option. There was only one train and it left a half hour after the game ended.
I guess the game DIDN'T ACTUALLY LAST until 2 AM, but it was well after midnight, and then had to wait for quite some time for the train to leave. Then had to drive home from the train station.
When I finally got home it WAS almost 2AM.
To top it off, the Twins lost (I think) and it was the most boring miserable sporting event I have ever been to. That was going to be the last time I went to a baseball game, unless it was a day game.
Maybe you just needed a long story because you're bored and have nothing better to do.
There it is.
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3/4 of Cleveland games (118 of 162) in 2022 took 2:49 or longer, the VAST majority of those being over 3:00, including multiple games over 3:30 despite being 9 innings. Assuming 10 minutes to get to your car after the final out, 10 more to get out of the lot, with games often starting at 7:10pm, there's a REALLY good chance you haven't even left the lot by 10:30 let alone gotten home.
Meanwhile, in 2023, 14 of 62 games are 2:49 or longer with just 2 9-inning games over 3 hours. And those games averaged over 16 runs. One game lasted just 1:50.
That's a good thing for families or anybody who goes to a lot of games.
No, I have nothing else to do - you are my entire day. Thank you so much for amusing me..........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
NICE!
You might find it interesting how inconsistent the clock timing and when it starts has been across mlb all year
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
NICE!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
WOW! A pitchclock vialation - 3rd week in June - Damn, ya gota get used to it.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Nevermind........ They won:
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Funny - maybe I should bitch about Josh Bell more often - He Hit a home run today to tie the game and the Guardians went on to win 6-1. Problem is it was 2-1 till the 8th, Guards struck for 4 runs but not on any hits, 2 wild pitches and 2 bases loaded walks.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I fondly recall when the Tribe had some hitters........it's been a while
Kenny Lofton, Carlos Baerga, Albert Belle, Jim Thome.. they had a great core group of guys on the early 90's
Manny, Matt Williams for a year, Justice, Alomar, Sexton/Giles/Burnitz got their starts there, and theres many more. They had an insane amount of hitting until Dolan bought the team and it didnt take him long to gut the payroll and destroy everything
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
I can't believe I forgot about Manny!
https://www.cleveland.com/livingston/2011/04/manny_ramirez_was_many_things.html
I went from loving that guy to hating him faster than Clemens
I always loved Papi and Pedro the best though, Nomar and Pedroia I never cared for too much
Damn, Francona with health difficulties once again.
"Francona feels unwell, to undergo testing in Kansas City"
https://www.mlb.com/news/terry-francona-feels-unwell-misses-guardians-game-vs-royals
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'll be darn, once again worried about the Gaurdians and they come back in the 9th without Tito to manage and win 2-1. But KC is second worse team in baseball and another 1 run win against a very bad team.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm sick of the Larry Bird disrespect. Most recently Dennis Rodman saying that if Bird was playing today he'd be in Europe.
I know that Rodman's claim is nonsensical, and that if Bird was in Europe, it means Rodman would be...?
Still, it's just another in a long line.
I want to add that, even though Rodman said this, I still think Rodman was a great, unique player and I even think that Rodman would do well in today's game.
And would still be an idiot
The ironic part is Rodman is the one that couldnt play in todays game or would be a bench player. The NBA simply doesnt value his all defense style anymore now that analytics tell them to either dunk or shoot a three and ignore mid range shots.
The whole players from x generation couldnt play in y generation is so stupid. The NBA does have one legitimate critic in that if you were a 6'6 center yea you better learn to play guard real quick or you wouldnt make it now simply for being to short and theres nothing you can do to change that. The fringe players would always be fringe players in any generation.
Obviously atheletes are stronger and fast now, but thats because of equipment, training/nutrition, which players from past generations would have access too if they played today. The best players of any generation could play in any generation if they had the same training and equipment with the possible exception of basketball where guys would just be to short for the position.
Dont forget Rodman put on a wedding dress and married himself, wont even get into the NK stuff, but I wouldnt put any weight into his opinions
Wisconsin 2-6 against the SEC since 2007
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I actually think Rodman could, assuming he did what a lot of others did an learned to shoot a 3- which seems lke a job requirement now.
I hated what Rodman said about bird in the 80s, but I hated more how Isiah Thomas latched on. But after that, he seemed to change his tone on Bird at some point. What he said recently was seemingly more for shock value.
Rodman averaged over 25 in college. I know that doesn't translate, but he could score. And his rebounding was not just a freak thing. His athleticism stood out among the world's best basketball players, and he studied it like an art.
Rodman could definitely play in this era or any era in NBA history.
The guy is arguably the best wing defender in history and that isn't an exaggeration. Not many all time great defenders can guard 1-5 but he could. There are only a handful of defenders in history that could do what he did: Russell,KG,Akeem,Giannis,Draymond,maybe David Robinson.
He led the NBA in rebounding 7x at a time when there were so many all time great rebounders like Bird,Shaq,Mutombo,Barkley,Ewing,Akeem,David Robinson,Karl Malone,Moses,Kareem,Charles Oakley just to name some.
Many people forget but he was capable of hitting threes, he just didn't take them often. Back then the 3 wasn't used like it is now but so many players were more than capable of hitting them.
Rodman would probably never be a league average 3pt shooter at 35% but high 20's/low 30's was definitely realistic. Most,if not all, NBA teams would take that percentage from a nonshooter especially if the guy is providing the effort,defense & rebounding that Rodman brought to the table.
Now on the other hand,his opinions on literally any topic, I'd take with a grain of salt. Who knows how much toxins from all of that hair dye seeped into that brain of his. 😎
Eric
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I like your list of defenders. A lot of people neglect the greatness of the admiral.
Rodman averaged almost 12 a game his second year. Shot 25% from 3 with Detroit. He basically stopped trying on offense because he was so good defensively and didn't need to score. You know, the same kind of thing people bring up when it's pointed out that Bill Russell averaged only 15 a game.
Rodman was a athletic freak and he absolutely would excel today. He'd average 16 rebounds a game if an out-of-shape (relatively) unathletic guy like Luka can average 9. He'd get you 8-12 points, 16 rebounds, and play great defense.
He's certainly very athletic but it doesnt change the 7.2 ppg or the 52.1 percent shooting free throws. Do I think he could play today sure, but it would be more on a stacked team or just come playoff time without significant changes in his game. He would be a much lesser name aside from being so weird anyways.
I really wasnt saying that he couldnt, just that between him and Bird who he said he is the one more likely to fail with his lack of shooting skills
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If Rodman played today,whoever is the GM on the team he played for would definitely adjust their roster around Rodman's strengths & weaknesses. His strengths are so elite that most teams wouldn't even think twice about his weaknesses,they'd just work around them. He'd either play the 4 with a center that could space the floor or he'd be a smallball 5, where players usually range anywhere from 6-5 to 6-9, and put 4 shooters around him .
Not every team has a starting five where they all put up a ton of points per game especially at the 4/5 positions. Many teams have starters that score under 10PPG and many have starters that shoot FTs in the .50-60% range.
Its not really about just scoring points,its about keeping the defense honest where they need to account for all 5 players on offense.
Dennis didn't have a problem scoring he just let everyone else take the shots but he'd drive to the rim,shoot a 15 footer or take a three if they were available.
Draymond Green is a guy who has averaged 7-8ppg in each of the previous 5 seasons where he also shot high 20's/low 30's from three yet he still makes an impact on games.
Rudy Gobert is another who is a career 12ppg scorer with a pretty awful FT percentage and has never hit a single three in 10 seasons yet still makes an impact.
Then you have someone like Ben Simmons,who is a similar player to the three above but who wouldn't take those same shots including point blank dunks at the rim.It got so deep into his head during the 2021 playoffs that two years later he hasn't recovered. He went from being a 15/7/7/2 guy who played 1st team All-Defense but was a terrible FT shooter to a guy with the yips who now makes up injury excuses to sit out of games and averages just 6/6/6 when he does play. He made 35M this past season.
If Rodman was playing in this era he'd be making 30+m/yr,he'd still bring elite rebounding/defense,he'd probably still be near the topof the league in techs/ejections and there would definitely be plenty of fans questioning if he was worth his salary due to the lack of scoring production.
Eric
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Speaking of Dennis Rodman...Yikes!?!
https://amp.tmz.com/2023/07/08/dennis-rodman-gf-against-face-tattoo-idea-he-crazy/
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Getting "weirdo" tattooed on his face would have been more appropriate lol
Can't wait untill Friday when baseball resumes. I find listening to the Guardians on the radio while working in the garden during the evening is a very enjoyable duo.
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I am not a fan of tattoos.
I kinda blame Rodman for bringing them into the "mainstream", for lack of a better term.
It's gotten silly, you got cops walking around with full sleeves and they look stupid, I got no problems with a couple tattoos, I have one on my shoulder but it's taken to the extreme with most people nowadays
Scofield had some pretty cool ink...
Damn, Cleveland Guardians blew their 30th save of the season today!
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Wow! The underdogs went 8-5 yesterday in the NFL.
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SportsCenter afternoon. Nope. No bald alien chicks. Channel change. Can't support that cause.
Them SOB's - Same Old Browns!
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