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BartAllen2BartAllen2 Posts: 71 ✭✭
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How would go about cutting this for a PSA 9 or 10 as I just need Oleksandr ~

Anyone offering card cutting services? ^_^

All comments are welcomed.



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  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wouldn't you just try and cut it on the lines/breaks that are already there.

    Because they were sold as cut singles in packs, you essentially have an uncut sheet, but of course has been scored to peal the stickers. PSA is going to expect them to be a certain size, so hopefully the score is that size. If it is a little larger, then you could cut it smaller, but if it is scored too small, you obviously can't cut it beyond the existing score marks. Based on the top and right score marks, you are already WAY offcenter, so you will be lucky for a PSA 8, actually have a feeling it is too small.

    https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/multi-sport-cards/2012-panini-london/142999

  • BartAllen2BartAllen2 Posts: 71 ✭✭

    @RufussCkingston said:
    Wouldn't you just try and cut it on the lines/breaks that are already there.

    Because they were sold as cut singles in packs, you essentially have an uncut sheet, but of course has been scored to peal the stickers. PSA is going to expect them to be a certain size, so hopefully the score is that size. If it is a little larger, then you could cut it smaller, but if it is scored too small, you obviously can't cut it beyond the existing score marks. Based on the top and right score marks, you are already WAY offcenter, so you will be lucky for a PSA 8, actually have a feeling it is too small.
    https://www.psacard.com/auctionprices/multi-sport-cards/2012-panini-london/142999

    Thanks! Woah, I see, so even equal and measured cuts (including some of the border of the other stickers) would be penalised by PSA? An example being this (but evenly cut):

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    could ask Evan Mathis...

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been collecting "oddball" issues for years. Some have called me an oddball collector.🤔
    I have cut Bazooka, Post Cereal, Jello, Transogram, Milk Duds cards as well as a variety of cards issued in All Star programs and Baseball card magazines.
    In my experience, PSA doesn't have any hard and fast rules on hand cut cards.
    Perforations and border lines are not always necessary to achieve a number grade.
    Generally, four equal borders seems to be more important than perforations or even solid or dotted lines. I have seen Post Cereal cards with no border occasionally receive a number grade. At one time I had thought this impossible.
    If you must cut these out to individual cards, make sure they are the correct size and have borders as equal all the way around as possible.
    That being said, if your cuts don't line up with the factory perforations, you could get bad grades, or none at all. Depending on the grader.
    Good luck!

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BartAllen2 said

    This is a poorly cut card.
    I would cut it down so that the dotted lines are showing with an equal amount of white showing all around.
    As long as the card remains large enough!

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @BartAllen2 said

    This is a poorly cut card.
    I would cut it down so that the dotted lines are showing with an equal amount of white showing all around.
    As long as the card remains large enough!

    Wait. Is that right? I'm ready to cut some Hostess. My understanding is to cut through the dotted lines, showing dotted lines in the card but no white on the outside. Otherwise it gets a hand cut Authentic grade.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonSportscards said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @BartAllen2 said

    This is a poorly cut card.
    I would cut it down so that the dotted lines are showing with an equal amount of white showing all around.
    As long as the card remains large enough!

    Wait. Is that right? I'm ready to cut some Hostess. My understanding is to cut through the dotted lines, showing dotted lines in the card but no white on the outside. Otherwise it gets a hand cut Authentic grade.

    I haven't cut any Hostess cards, are you talking about single cards or panels with multiple players.

    Can you post a picture?

    Here's a couple of examples that graded 9's. One is cut right up to the dotted lines, the other shows some white. I always try to have a complete border, but I have seen some that get a number grade with missing borders. It's not something that's a "rule", if the grader thinks there's enough border, even without black lines showing, they can give it a numeric grade.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 5, 2023 8:54PM

    @BartAllen2 said:

    Thanks! Woah, I see, so even equal and measured cuts (including some of the border of the other stickers) would be penalised by PSA? An example being this (but evenly cut):

    What you are talking about is a little wack because you aren't getting part of the border of the other stickers, you'd be getting parts that can be pealed off... It's not a black line between the stickers, it's a cut all the way to the backing paper.

    And on top of that, as I pointed out, this is an issue that was generally issued as factory cut individual cards, unlike most of the examples in this thread that were box bottoms or box cutouts. So there won't really be an avenue for PSA to make a hand cut designation when all they will see is a single sticker from the Panini set, and will either be graded, min sized, or altered designated.

    You almost have an equivalent of a factory uncut sheet, and PSA does not grade "cards" cut from uncut sheets. I don't believe there is any PSA graded handcut card for an issue that wad distributed as single cards....

  • BartAllen2BartAllen2 Posts: 71 ✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I have been collecting "oddball" issues for years. Some have called me an oddball collector.🤔
    I have cut Bazooka, Post Cereal, Jello, Transogram, Milk Duds cards as well as a variety of cards issued in All Star programs and Baseball card magazines.
    In my experience, PSA doesn't have any hard and fast rules on hand cut cards.
    Perforations and border lines are not always necessary to achieve a number grade.
    Generally, four equal borders seems to be more important than perforations or even solid or dotted lines. I have seen Post Cereal cards with no border occasionally receive a number grade. At one time I had thought this impossible.
    If you must cut these out to individual cards, make sure they are the correct size and have borders as equal all the way around as possible.
    That being said, if your cuts don't line up with the factory perforations, you could get bad grades, or none at all. Depending on the grader.
    Good luck!

    I see, I see :O Still will attempt to get someone to cut those ~

  • RonSportscardsRonSportscards Posts: 942 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @RonSportscards said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @BartAllen2 said

    This is a poorly cut card.
    I would cut it down so that the dotted lines are showing with an equal amount of white showing all around.
    As long as the card remains large enough!

    Wait. Is that right? I'm ready to cut some Hostess. My understanding is to cut through the dotted lines, showing dotted lines in the card but no white on the outside. Otherwise it gets a hand cut Authentic grade.

    I haven't cut any Hostess cards, are you talking about single cards or panels with multiple players.

    Can you post a picture?

    Here's a couple of examples that graded 9's. One is cut right up to the dotted lines, the other shows some white. I always try to have a complete border, but I have seen some that get a number grade with missing borders. It's not something that's a "rule", if the grader thinks there's enough border, even without black lines showing, they can give it a numeric grade.

    Yes. Single card. No pics yet, as I haven't cut them yet.
    Your single Killebrew example is how I thought it should be cut. Through the dotted line, but still showing the lines.
    I haven't looked real hard, but I haven't seen a Hostess panel cut outside the dotted lines and be graded. Is your Bazooka an older grading?

    I'm not sure what to do with this one. I think it would be a shame to cut off the extra wording, ad and barcode, although the wording above the cards may have to be sacrificed to achieve clean straight edges.

    And I was surprised to find this graded a 10 with the Cey card omitted, even though the cuts around the 2-card panel is good. It's either all three or singles, but having just 2 seems weird and not what was intended.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ^^another example of PSA's unusual decisions. To me, the above panel of 2 cards should not be graded, 1 or 3.
    The Bazooka panel is a couple of years old. Maybe if I would have cut it closer to the lines it would be a 10?
    Getting back to the original question, those may or may not get a grade if sent in hanc cut.
    Good luck with whatever you decide.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • BartAllen2BartAllen2 Posts: 71 ✭✭
    edited May 6, 2023 8:37PM

    @RufussCkingston said:

    @BartAllen2 said:

    Thanks! Woah, I see, so even equal and measured cuts (including some of the border of the other stickers) would be penalised by PSA? An example being this (but evenly cut):

    What you are talking about is a little wack because you aren't getting part of the border of the other stickers, you'd be getting parts that can be pealed off... It's not a black line between the stickers, it's a cut all the way to the backing paper.

    And on top of that, as I pointed out, this is an issue that was generally issued as factory cut individual cards, unlike most of the examples in this thread that were box bottoms or box cutouts. So there won't really be an avenue for PSA to make a hand cut designation either be graded, min sized, or altered designated.

    You almost have an equivalent of a factory uncut sheet, and PSA does not grade "cards" cut from uncut sheets. I don't believe there is any PSA graded handcut card for an issue that wad distributed as single cards....

    I understand; and I, too, don't believe there's any PSA graded hand cut card for an issue that was distributed as single cards -- the only example closest to me - though not a hand cut - would be my two Tyson Fury cards which aren't of strictly the same size (due to the perforated side of the first):

  • BartAllen2BartAllen2 Posts: 71 ✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    ^^another example of PSA's unusual decisions. To me, the above panel of 2 cards should not be graded, 1 or 3.
    The Bazooka panel is a couple of years old. Maybe if I would have cut it closer to the lines it would be a 10?
    Getting back to the original question, those may or may not get a grade if sent in hanc cut.
    Good luck with whatever you decide.

    Thanks a lot <3

  • toppsfootballtoppsfootball Posts: 70 ✭✭✭

    Here are some of my Hostess cards and panels with varying border cuts. This one has white showing outside the dotted lines. This one was cut with dotted lines barely visible. These two Twinkie cards were cut with lots of white border around the dotted lines. Both are POP 1's, and highest grade for the issue.
    And here is an authentic card with mostly no dotted lines visible.

    Matt

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