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Should we Split the Coronet Cents into Two Types?

oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I've just added a '38 Coronet to my type set, along side of my '18. To me, the Coronet cent type evolved into a very different type, with the 1835-1839 years taking on a very different, decidedly non-matronly look. When I bought my Coronet type I avoided the later years because I thought they looked too much like the Braided Hair type. I now think we should have a "Coronet - Matron" type 1816-1835 and a "Coronet - Modified" type for 1835-1839. What do you think?

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  • TimNHTimNH Posts: 175 ✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    Yes, they're totally different designs, I separate them out in my 'type' collection.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    Some type set albums already do!

    peacockcoins

  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What, me worry?

    :):):o:o:p:p
    Makes no difference to me, I collect by date.

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    @braddick said:
    Some type set albums already do!

    That thread is what got me rethinking type. However, a bit over done IMO - lots of large cents needed.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,532 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leave the type as is, insufficient differences to split, or don't want to split for some other reson.

    I’m not sure who “we” is 😉, but I’m fine with the Red Book distinctions, which is similar to what you are proposing.

    I love the cents from these transition years, and have most of the major varieties.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I probably shouldn't have a say in this, as I do not particularly care for these coins, even though I have several half cents and many large cents due to I'm old and they happen. But I do think that if a bust is different it should be represented by a different name other than Silly Head or Booby Head, yet I do not think it big enough a deal to change everything now. Too much trouble for such a small matter. It should have been Type 1 and Type 2 from the getgo, but, alas, it did not.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would use:

    Matron Head 1816-1835
    Transitional Heads 1835-1839
    Braided Hair 1839-1857

    I think that the various heads of 1835-39 are too different from the Matron Head to call them "Matron Head, Modified."

    MOO

    TD

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    I’m not sure who “we” is 😉, but I’m fine with the Red Book distinctions, which is similar to what you are proposing.

    I'm not sure who "we" might be either either, but I had in mind fellow type collectors in particular. The Red Book distinction helped me make my own decision to add another coin to my set.

  • OmegaraptorOmegaraptor Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Some type set albums already do!

    No 1796, Reverse of 1794 cent or 1796-98, Reverse of 95 cent slots. Still incomplete! :p

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    "No 1796, Reverse of 1794 cent or 1796-98, Reverse of 95 cent slots. Still incomplete! :p"
    Also as I stated in the other thread, if you own an 1837 there is no place for it!

    peacockcoins

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    @CaptHenway said:
    I would use:

    Matron Head 1816-1835
    Transitional Heads 1835-1839
    Braided Hair 1839-1857

    I think that the various heads of 1835-39 are too different from the Matron Head to call them "Matron Head, Modified."

    MOO

    TD

    I like the term "Transitional". What I had in mind was "Coronet - Matron" and "Coronet - Modified" but I like your terms better.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leave the type as is, insufficient differences to split, or don't want to split for some other reson.

    I'm comfortable with the red book categories, thank you very much.

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  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    I would add that the Braided Hair cent also wears a coronet, so dropping the "coronet" term altogether seems a good idea. While we're at it "braided hair" makes me think of Willie Nelson, not sure it is an apt term for the type. Maybe call them all "Coronet" and use the terms Coronet - Matron Head, Coronet - Transitional Head and Coronet - Small Head, perhaps include the Bobby Head in the third group. OK, I'm getting carried away, but regardless lumping the 1816-1839 cents together as a single type doesn't make sense IMO.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Coronet cent type should be split into two types, Matron and Modified, using 1816-1835 and 1835-1839

    Make that "Booby".

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leave the type as is, insufficient differences to split, or don't want to split for some other reson.

    I like the Redbook system as it is. It's what most of us grew up with and know.

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