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Denied Composite Spec Request for Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties

ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 16, 2023 11:22PM in PCGS Set Registry Forum

I was wondering if anyone can tell me why my composite spec request was denied.
For the set: Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921), for the slot 1880 8/7, I requested to add eligibility for PCGS Coin #133982, which is one of the die varieties listed for coin number 41097.

Why wouldn't this coin be eligible?

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2023 4:02PM

    I would call Paulina and ask her to have it reviewed
    Maybe it just fell through the cracks
    Good luck, I've found that she is very helpful with these
    Can you give us the cert#?

  • markinsdmarkinsd Posts: 108 ✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:
    I was wondering if anyone can tell me why my composite spec request was denied.
    For the set: Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921), for the slot 1880 8/7, I requested to add eligibility for PCGS Coin #133982, which is one of the die varieties listed for coin number 41097.

    Why wouldn't this coin be eligible?

    VAM-11 is considered a checkmark and not one of the 8/7 varieties in this registry set. You would need a VAM-6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 for that slot. Not sure why they did it that way but doubt they are going to let you add it.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2023 8:27AM

    @markinsd said:

    @ProofCollection said:
    I was wondering if anyone can tell me why my composite spec request was denied.
    For the set: Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921), for the slot 1880 8/7, I requested to add eligibility for PCGS Coin #133982, which is one of the die varieties listed for coin number 41097.

    Why wouldn't this coin be eligible?

    VAM-11 is considered a checkmark and not one of the 8/7 varieties in this registry set. You would need a VAM-6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 for that slot. Not sure why they did it that way but doubt they are going to let you add it.

    Thank you, I want to make sure I am correct about my assertion before I go try to advocate for change. My VAM-10 coin is also not allowed in that slot. Where are you getting your information? I do agree that only VAM 6-9 (and 10) include "8/7" in the description, but then I don't know why the other VAMs would appear on the coinfacts page as related.

    When I go to the set composite, I believe it points to this page: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1880-1-8-7-overdate-pl/41098
    And when you click on 'related varieties' you get the list below. My assumption would be that anything on this list would qualify. Notably absent is VAM 10 but included is VAM 11.

    I guess my conclusion would be that either the set composite needs to be updated to include anything on this list OR this coinfacts page needs to be updated to only include VAMs 6-9.

  • markinsdmarkinsd Posts: 108 ✭✭
    edited April 19, 2023 12:22PM

    I had this set 99+% complete at one time before retiring the set. I have completed or nearly completed all of the VAM/variety sets before retiring them to focus on 1878 Philly mint coins.

    My retired set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/morgan-dollars-major-sets/morgan-dollars-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1878-1921/alltimeset/102058

    I just created a set to show you that my VAM-10 can be added to the 1880 8/7 slot. Added a picture for reference.

    PCGS's website is horribly out of date. I have VAMs attributed that aren't even on their list since it hasn't been updated in years. VAM-10 isn't even on the list but they will attribute.

    I don't believe they will allow any checkmark varieties in the 8/7 slot. Checkmark coins aren't what you would consider overdates like VAMs 6-10.

    If your VAM-10 is attributed on the holder I would request another add spec request and they should allow you to add.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 24, 2023 9:17PM

    @markinsd Yes my VAMs are attributed on the label.
    How do I contact Paulina? This is what happens:

  • markinsdmarkinsd Posts: 108 ✭✭

    I haven't worked with Paulina personally.. I usually just email [email protected]. I've typically worked with Cosetta Robbins.

    Cosetta Robbins
    Set Registry Manager
    Collectors Universe Inc.
    (800) 325-1121 ext #148
    (949) 567-1311 fax

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @markinsd said:
    I haven't worked with Paulina personally.. I usually just email [email protected]. I've typically worked with Cosetta Robbins.

    Cosetta Robbins
    Set Registry Manager
    Collectors Universe Inc.
    (800) 325-1121 ext #148
    (949) 567-1311 fax

    OK, I thought you had special contact info. I usually just email that email as well. I'll send them a message and see what they say.

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 5,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 12, 2023 4:32PM

    @markinsd said:

    @ProofCollection said:
    I was wondering if anyone can tell me why my composite spec request was denied.
    For the set: Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921), for the slot 1880 8/7, I requested to add eligibility for PCGS Coin #133982, which is one of the die varieties listed for coin number 41097.

    Why wouldn't this coin be eligible?

    VAM-11 is considered a checkmark and not one of the 8/7 varieties in this registry set. You would need a VAM-6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 for that slot. Not sure why they did it that way but doubt they are going to let you add it.

    So it took a few months but they did finally add the VAM 10.

    I'm curious if you or anyone else would know the explanation behind the 8/7 being a major variety but 80/79 is a minor variety? Because 8/7 isn't referring to 1880/1870, it's referring to 1880/1879. So I would think the variety should technically be 80/79 and include any 8/7 or 0/9 variety. What am I not understanding here?

  • markinsdmarkinsd Posts: 108 ✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:

    @markinsd said:

    @ProofCollection said:
    I was wondering if anyone can tell me why my composite spec request was denied.
    For the set: Morgan Dollars with Major Varieties, Circulation Strikes (1878-1921), for the slot 1880 8/7, I requested to add eligibility for PCGS Coin #133982, which is one of the die varieties listed for coin number 41097.

    Why wouldn't this coin be eligible?

    VAM-11 is considered a checkmark and not one of the 8/7 varieties in this registry set. You would need a VAM-6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 for that slot. Not sure why they did it that way but doubt they are going to let you add it.

    So it took a few months but they did finally add the VAM 10.

    I'm curious if you or anyone else would know the explanation behind the 8/7 being a major variety but 80/79 is a minor variety? Because 8/7 isn't referring to 1880/1870, it's referring to 1880/1879. So I would think the variety should technically be 80/79 and include any 8/7 or 0/9 variety. What am I not understanding here?

    This set is asking for the major varieties, there aren't really any minor varieties. Just coins that made the spec and coins that didn't. A checkmark has a check on top of the 8.. the 7/8 varieties have the 7 under the 8. The 7/8 are Top 100 varieties, the Checkmarks are Hot 50 coins.

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