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Anyone know the mint that produced this silver round?

ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭
edited December 24, 2024 2:50AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Anyone know the mint that produced these silver rounds? Sorry for the poor images.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's unusual in that it isn't 999 fine silver.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No clue, those up for sale are not indicating manufacturer. Is the weight correct?

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 4, 2023 3:20AM

    @Namvet69 said:
    No clue, those up for sale are not indicating manufacturer. Is the weight correct?

    The weight is correct. Minted in the late 70s or probably in the early too mid-80s. Goes hand in hand with F. Tupper Saussy’s book a miracle on main street.

  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    Where are all the old timers? This was associated with a pretty big movement at the time.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not saying yours falls into this category but Franklin Mint produced some 90% silver and.925 also called sterling silver. Thanks

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 said:
    Not saying yours falls into this category but Franklin Mint produced some 90% silver and.925 also called sterling silver. Thanks

    Thanks, but it wasn’t Franklin Mint.

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 458 ✭✭✭

    Could be any after market Mint. They state 1 oz. of silver. Normally if you state 1 troy oz. this medal or medallion must have 32.24246 gr. in 900 Si. Hard to find who produce.

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  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No images, and I could not find any more details with a quick search, but this might be worth investigating.

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 458 ✭✭✭

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:
    No images, and I could not find any more details with a quick search, but this might be worth investigating.

    I’ll look into it further - thanks

  • AtcarrollAtcarroll Posts: 408 ✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    That's unusual in that it isn't 999 fine silver.

    Probably a deliberate callback to coin silver.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Note the comma in “ONE OUNCE, SILVER” which looks like an afterthought. It’s an ounce, and it is silver, but it is not an ounce of silver.

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  • I have no idea. I tried to find information regarding this but couldn’t find anything.

  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    They are good looking rounds. They come in both BU and proof. The proofs have their own wooded presentation box. These were produced around the time of the tax revolt headed by Tupper Saussy. I’ve spoke to the Saussy’s former attorney who had no knowledge of the rounds.

  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Note the comma in “ONE OUNCE, SILVER” which looks like an afterthought. It’s an ounce, and it is silver, but it is not an ounce of silver.

    I've heard of "weasel words", but not a "weasel comma" before. :D

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2024 6:24PM

    See response below

  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 23, 2024 6:27PM

    @Sapyx said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Note the comma in “ONE OUNCE, SILVER” which looks like an afterthought. It’s an ounce, and it is silver, but it is not an ounce of silver.

    I've heard of "weasel words", but not a "weasel comma" before. :D

    The round comes in at 1.206 ounces of .900 fine silver. So I am not sure why there is a comma when there is actually a bit more than an ounce of silver in them.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sapyx said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Note the comma in “ONE OUNCE, SILVER” which looks like an afterthought. It’s an ounce, and it is silver, but it is not an ounce of silver.

    I've heard of "weasel words", but not a "weasel comma" before. :D

    Back in the mid-80’s some con man was selling a one ounce silver piece with a heavy gold plating that was marked as “.999% Gold.” Mathematically less than 1% Gold, but people saw the “.999” and thought it was pure. The price was right at the spot price of gold, IMPLYING it was gold but never saying that it was. He sold some.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    work "token" into the title

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Note the comma in “ONE OUNCE, SILVER” which looks like an afterthought. It’s an ounce, and it is silver, but it is not an ounce of silver.

    The round comes in at 1.206 ounces of .900 fine silver. So I am not sure why there is a comma when there is actually a bit more than an ounce of silver in them

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2024 5:49AM

    A 1.08 ounce item is as close as it's gonna get. Truth in advertising.

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    A 1.08 ounce item is as close as it's gonna get. Truth in advertising.

    And out of the many that I have weighed, they are consistent.

  • CregCreg Posts: 527 ✭✭✭✭

    Akin to the old .24 carat ruse—

  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭✭

    @Creg said:
    Akin to the old .24 carat ruse—

    Not at all

  • CregCreg Posts: 527 ✭✭✭✭

    My regrets, I should have posted that in reference to this comment—

    @CaptHenway said:

    Back in the mid-80’s some con man was selling a one ounce silver piece with a heavy gold plating that was marked as “.999% Gold.” Mathematically less than 1% Gold, but people saw the “.999” and thought it was pure. The price was right at the spot price of gold, IMPLYING it was gold but never saying that it was. He sold some.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess they were being quite conscientious about delivering a full ounce. I withdraw any criticism of the piece.

    Back in the mid-70's when Silver was still very cheap there was a young lady at Amos Press (parent firm of Coin World) who made jewelry in her spare time. One week when I was going to a coin show in Dayton she asked me if I could get her about ten ounces worth so she could do some castings. I said sure, and while down there bought ten generic art bars for close to spot.

    When I got back to the office on Monday I was curious about the weights so I weighed each one before taking them over to her department and getting paid for them. None weighed less that 1.03 troy ounce, and the heaviest weigh 1.08. All .999 of course.

    I suspect that the art bar makers all deliberately made them just a tad heavy so that no customer would ever complain about one being short weight. It reminds me of when I took a course on statistics in college and they were trying to explain bell curves to us. The textbook example was a soda pop bottling company trying to fill 12-ounce glass bottles with high speed equipment that never hit exactly 12 ounces (except by accident). I think the lesson was that if the average variance was 0.3 ounces with just a small percentage of fills falling outside that range, you set your fill level at 12.3 ounces, with the few that were under 12.0 being so close that nobody ever complained.

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