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Can anyone tell the Sheldon number on this pitted large cent?

OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Can a coin be so far gone…

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  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would be extremely impressed if anyone can make any type of determination about the die variety of this coin.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2023 5:17PM

    S-75
    R3.

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  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    S-75
    R3.

    Well if anyone were to impress me, I can't be surprised that it was you. Well done, Greg!

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well I’m hoping others will come along and validate it, but I’m pretty sure.
    I won’t reveal the tells yet, but it was actually pretty easy.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2, 2023 7:04PM

    I had it to 1795 Lettered Edge...

    Edited to add... looks like there's only 3 Sheldon varieties.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just happened on to this post. I'm certainly no expert, but I feel due to the location of the T in LIBERTY's position(as best as I can make out) it may well be the S-76a. As the reverse is beyond these old eyes for sure, the ribbon appears correct with the U. Just not positive enough to be sure. Look forward to Greg's analysis.
    Jim


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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    Just happened on to this post. I'm certainly no expert, but I feel due to the location of the T in LIBERTY's position(as best as I can make out) it may well be the S-76a. As the reverse is beyond these old eyes for sure, the ribbon appears correct with the U. Just not positive enough to be sure. Look forward to Greg's analysis.
    Jim

    I was the first one to jump in the pool, Jim.

    Here’s my thought process.
    It’s obviously a Liberty Cap. Minted from late 1793 till mid 1796. It’s not the style of 93, so that’s gone. It’s got the Lettered edge, so that eliminates the thin planchets of late ‘95 and 1796. So we’re down to all the ‘94s and some of the 95’s. Time to blow up the image and get out the book. At that point I saw the remnants of the “5”. Woo hoo, greatly narrowed down, and I used hoard 95 cents to boot. The position of the 5 is key. In this case it looks like the top of the 5 is both visible and is downward sloping/parallel to the bust. Assuming that isn’t an illusion of the corrosion, that automatically makes it S75. I then checked the distance from the base of the L to the cap, and it appears there is a decent space between; the base of the L on the 76 essentially touches the cap, so that should eliminate the 76. The forelock of Liberty is close to the T on the '75, so at that point I called it.
    Here's where I likely jumped the gun, so let’s confirm.
    The R is more distant from the hair on the 76, similar to what the OPs coin appears to show. Strike against the S75. Let's see if anything can be gleaned from the reverse. Not much, but enough from the left wreath to probably discard the S75, but also the 76, unless there is a third lower leaf that I just don't see. Hmm.
    So let's revisit the S74. Top of the 5 is buried in the bust, which could be. L is distant from cap, check. But the R is like the S75, and likely to close to the hair, so we're concerned about that. Let's check the reverse again. More similar to the OPs coin than the 75, but the 76a is still a closer match.

    In conclusion, I don't know which it is LOL!
    Calling @opportunity!

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok, Greg, now I am confused. The left top corner of the 5 is defintely buried in the bust and is that a die crack thru the 9. If so, then you are correct with an S75. C'mon guys a little help here.
    Jim


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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going to give up for a while as now I see that it cannot be the S75. Look at the heighth comparison of the C in Cent to the D in UNITED. Totally different from the OP. S75 would be eliminated.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2023 7:47AM

    Just to help others that have not spent countless hours staring at these types of coins, I will offer this advice; Stare at the coin in areas you are familiar with and truly if there is a letter or device to be seen it will suddenly appear and you will see it every time thereafter. Try looking at the O in ONE and C in CENT on this coin. Then concentrate on the 9 and 5 of date. They are plainly there with concentration. JMO
    Jim

    Edited to add: Another tip when trying to attribute a coin is don't try to prove the many things that make an attribution, but only find the one thing that disproves it.


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  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭




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  • opportunityopportunity Posts: 984 ✭✭✭✭

    I'm a little late here. I have no doubt it's an S-76, but the edge pic is too blurry for me to tell whether it's the A or B.

    Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.

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