Andy Reid vs Bill Belichick
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LeSean McCoy commented that he thinks Andy Reid is a better coach than Bill Belichick.
"Wherever Andy Reid goes, whoever Andy Reid has as a player, whether it’s a running back, a wide receiver, a quarterback, he is going to win games,” McCoy said. “He’s going to take a bad team and make them a good team. He does it over and over again. When he got to the Eagles, that wasn’t a good team. They became a good team over time. He leaves Philadelphia, right?
“He goes to the Chiefs, who weren’t a good team before Andy Reid got there. They instantly become a good team. So when I look at Andy Reid — and I want to preach for Andy Reid because I love him — but I’m saying, I see a great coach. I see players developing. I see him making players get better and better. When you look at Belichick, what do you see? I see Tom Brady. I see him benefiting off the success of Tom Brady because when Tom Brady left, I can’t see a time when Belichick has been successful.”
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I will always give more credit to players than coaches. with that said, coaches are normally going to be more successful with better players.
BB was very successful when he had a great QB. not so much otherwise.
AR was also successful when he had good QB and finally won when he got a great QB. I think a big part of the turnaround we saw when AR came to KC was that they replaced matt cassell at QB with Alex Smith.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
To answer the question, I would give the edge to BB of course. there were so many years he did a lot without having game breaking playmakers.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Honestly?
I think if Andy Reid was in New England during Brady's tenure as QB we would have more than 6 Super Bowls
That being said, take away Mahomes and Reid has zero Super Bowl appearances with KC
Andy’s cool in all, but I give edge to Bill….
only because a while ago on the NFL network the was an interview with Bill and he was talking about his younger days when he used to take his football cards and line them up and run his plays with his cards…so that’s Pretty Cool in my book…
I hadnt thought of it that way, but you may be right. We lost the 2018 SB as a direct result of BB's hubris.
playing Butler in that game gives us 7. I have a hard time with that decision even still.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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Alright guys, I love this and I hate it (hate us the wrong word, but so is love, so I'll leave them both).
You give Mahomes so much credit over Reid, but then say if Reid was in NE Brady would have had more success.
I smell what you are cooking, but I'm actually in a diet, plus your meal seems too complicated for my system.
If I were going to play for a coach, I would want to play for Jimmy Johnson, Cowboys years. He always reminded me of my youth football coach, a no nonsense guy, he rode his guys really hard but he did it for their own good, to get the best out of them. I would love to have seen him coach the Patriots during the Brady years!
I place the loss of that SB directly onto BB. no one has ever (to my knowledge) come out and actually said what happened, but apparently the night before the SB, there was an altercation of some sort between Butler and Steve Belechick. Possibly over a woman. supposedly, that is why BB benched Butler and backup QB Foles threw the ball all over the secondary and the Eagles won.
and yes, I am bitter over that one. BB should have swallowed his pride and made the decision that was best for his team to win.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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We are all bitter over that one Craig. Believe me. We as NE fans went through these things together and I think that is part of the camaraderie here. The pre-Brady days. Grogan's neck roll. John Hannah. Squish the Fish. Bledsoe. The hope. The loss to the Packers. The feeling when Bledsoe got hurt and everything was over. We rode that rollercoaster.
But I stick with my many times uttered belief that Brady and Belichick were the perfect storm, and that different pieces would not have allowed the double dynasty to come into fruition.
Oops, I was expecting this to be a DD boxing match thread.
I wish, I think Bill would win, he looks like he would have a granite chin!
I wouldn't agree with that first part,let's not forget that Andy has had his own issues over the years with time management that has cost his teams in big games. Also remember that he took the Eagles to four straight NFCCG's and only made it to one SB that he didn't even win while in Philly. I do agree with your Mahomes comment though.
From what I've heard from most Pats fans during the BB era is most don't have an issue with Belichick the head coach,its mostly been his personnel decisions as GM that have hurt the team over the years.
As far as his coaching decisions go,of course the Butler benching will always stand out most but after that the really hasn't been many complaints at his coaching decisions,imo. We had 4th & 2 in Indy years ago but our defense couldn't stop Peyton Manning so that sort of made sense. Playing Gronk on S/T and an injury forces him to miss the remainder of one season but that could have happened on any play throughout the season. I'd say Bill's most recent HC gaffe was no OC last season but lets be realistic,had McDaniels still been running the offense would our season have finished much different than it had? Probably not.
I don't know if there's another NFL head coach that has more SB rings as both HC & Coordinator/Assistant combined but Belichick has 9 total rings. 6 as HC, 3 as DC.
Andy Reid has 3 total (2/1) he's also 5 yrs younger than BB but who knows how long he'll stick around to add to that number.
Eric
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Seriously…….. remember 14 year old punt, pass, and kick Andy? Little known fact, the kid behind him was Bill Belechik and Andy punted him 40 yards. 🤭
I would post the pic but I don’t know how to do anything on an I phone.
Holy crap, Reid was only 14? He looks like an adult, I'm changing my pick, Reid by knockout!
I think Andy Reid comes across as a decent human being. Not sure that can be said about Billy-Check...... So I'll take the good guy to coach my NFL team..............................
Agreed about the GM part of what your saying but Hoodie has made some seriously questionable decisions, putting in Gronk on an extra point or FG that was meaningless in a game already won and he broke his fore arm befire the Super Bowl.
That decision on Gronk playing and getting injured was so way overblown,look at how many times Brady stayed in during blowouts and never got hurt. Players could get hurt on any single play. Had Gronk been injured on the play right before that S/T kick would that have made this any different? Not really,
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You take Reid , I'll take Bill and all his RINGS
You mentioned how many times Brady was still in late during blowouts, well just because nothing happened to Brady didn't mean it wasn't stupid
I can't tell you how many times I held my breath watching him get sacked or forcing a pass to a diving Edelman deep in the 4th quarter of a blowout
True and I could honestly say the same about so many times that I didn't see Gronk immediately get up after taking a hit.
I just looked up the details to that game where Gronk got hurt and it was on an extra point after a Shane Vereen TD made it a 58-24 game with a few minutes left on the clock against the Colts. I agree that ideally Gronk shouldn't have been in there but we all know Belichick with his Do Your Job mantra, they scored and the kicking team went in like they always do. It wasn't like Bill told Gronk specifically to go block for this kick.
Even thinking back about Rob gettig hurt on this play and how much of a freak accident it was where we rarely see players get hurt on extra points. When you think about all of the plays that happen on a football field,the extra point is literally the one time where players usually half-a$$ it.
That all being said, when you gotta go back 10 to 20 years to point to a certain coaching decision to use against the guy it means the positives far outweight the negatives. They've won so many big games over the years that we tend to give Brady all of the credit but in reality that isn't the truth. Bill's tendency on defense to take away what the opposing team does best on offense have been just as important in winning those games as Brady's heroics had. I think to many Pats fans tend to forget this due to their love for Brady when we should be praising both. They were one hell of a tandem for 20+ years.
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I agree that the good decisions far outweigh the poor ones for BB as a coach. I think we hold onto the bad ones because there were so few in comparison.
His game plan against the greatest show on turf was spectacular.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Your right and I agree with you.
My main point isn't so much a bashing Belichick tirade but in my opinion with all said and done I think they could have done better in a lot of ways without Belichick's God like complex, he legitimately thought his coaching made the Patriots click, he undervalued players his entire career, I think we could have snuck in another ring if he had really tried to get more flashy players on offense.
I like Bill, I don't love him, I have always loved Brady the player though so maybe I'm jaded
THIS. Billy-Check is not a human being I want to hang out with or be on a team with, he does not seem like a pleasant dude. He wins though, so from the outside looking in, I suppose that is what it is all about, not character......
Personally, I've grown to like Bill Belichick, I think he has an edge to him because he takes the game very serious and wants his players to be at their best. And this right here sealed it for me, one of the all-time funniest moments in sports history!
I think Bill is just completely no-nonsense with regard to work. The stuff I've seen of him doing non-football stuff, he's come across as personable and funny.
I also like Andy Reid, he's a great guy, and they certainly have given us some funny moments!
Long time Eagles fan. Loved Reid and think he has a great heart from what I can tell. It was hard seeing 4 NFC games, 1 SB visit, and no rings with a stacked offense and killer defense.
I hope my next comment doesn't start a war but I'm always leary of the way the NFL conducts itself and I'm sure it's not just the NFL. There seems to be a lot of bad calls, miraculous comebacks, and some sad scandals which made it seem like dynasty winning teams were getting some help.
When you just look at numbers alone then it's BB all day. Kudos to Andy for working through the personal life struggles of his sons suicide.
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I see it differently. It was unnecessary to play Gronk there. It made no sense.
But as for Brady, part of the reason he is the GOAT, and played to 45, is that he is the kind of guy who wanted to play late into games for no reason. It was his MO.