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1790 Lima Peru 8 Reales - known modern fake

Have seen a least 10 of these. The eBay coin listed was indeed the Sedwick lot indicated... though the splotchy shallow fake tone there when it originally sold was since dipped off. There is one other frequently seen modern Lima fake of somewhat similar style, a 1786... the 1786 can be slightly more deceptive because the tells aren't as obvious.

https://www.icollector.com/Lima-Peru-bust-8-reales-Charles-IV-transitional-bust-of-Charles-III-ordinal-IV-1790IJ_i14157793
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256022409959

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  • jdmernjdmern Posts: 286 ✭✭✭

    Messaged the seller and he pulled the piece

    Do you know when this type started emerging? Late 2000s?

    Justin Meunier

    Boardwalk Numismatics

  • realeswatcherrealeswatcher Posts: 339 ✭✭✭

    Yes, late "aughts" is about when.

    Aside from the 1786 and 1790 Lima, there are a NUMBER of Mexican dates of similar ilk dating back to that time as well... and many of them can be linked through certain ones having surfaced together from the same source... through sharing certain characteristics (e.g., toning, odd rims)... and/or occasionally by shared/muled dies.

    One example, an equally ubiquitous 1805 Mexico 8R:
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12582099/#Comment_12582099

    I've seen a number of these types reemerging on eBay the past year or so, presumably as purchases/collections that have been sitting for this past decade or so get cycled back onto the market. It has happened enough where I've generally stopped bothering to write long, explanatory messages to sellers who often don't want to know or simply don't care.

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