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When you resubmit/regrade a coin that is a Doubled die that has a different coin# than the slab?

Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭✭✭

I have a bunch of 2009 Lincoln's that were graded before the doubled dies were recognized. They all have their own new coin#. When submitting raw you would just put the coin # in and not need to do a variety attribution. How do you do it for regrade?

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  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1 said:
    I have a bunch of 2009 Lincoln's that were graded before the doubled dies were recognized. They all have their own new coin#. When submitting raw you would just put the coin # in and not need to do a variety attribution. How do you do it for regrade?

    I am NOT an expert on 'PCGS Variety Attribution'. That said, I am not sure that this is correct.

    Consider " 2009 1C Lincoln-Formative Years, RD" (i.e., PCGS #407831 "base"). The CoinFacts page indicates that the DDR entries are "die varieties", as opposed to "major varieties". They also include a Fivaz-Stanton number.

    Source: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2009-1c-lincoln-formative-years-rd/407831

    Doesn't this mean that you have to use the "Variety Attribution" service, and pay an upcharge, to get this designation?

    Note - I could be wrong, and am certainly 'open' to learning something on the subject. Have never really been 100% clear on how to identify which items require the extra cost of "variety attribution" using just the PCGS website (i.e., length of PCGS coin number, CoinFacts classification, etc.).

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Clackamas1

    I felt bad about responding to your question with a question. So, I took the liberty of contacting PCGS CS on 3/27/23, and inquiring. Discussion highlights follow:

    ~ the DDR designations available for the "2009 1C Lincoln - Formative Years" coin are part of the 'PCGS Variety Attribution' program. This means if you want any of these varieties attributed, you have to pay for the "add-on service" (i.e., $20.00 per coin).
    ~ when completing a submission form for a "regrade", the rep recommended entering the "base" coin number in the "coin details" section, and checking the "variety attribution" box under "add-on services". If you do this, the graders will look for all of the the possible die varieties (i.e, FS-801 to FS-808). However, if you are confident that you have a specific "die variety", she said that entering the info. associated with that specific variety in the "coin details" section would also be fine.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if in slab need variety + reholder if you are happy with grade

    otherwise crack and grade + variety

    .. if they are worth that expense (+shipping both ways + handling fees + (Gold Shield for pic))

    in the past they have said a redbook listing does not need variety and has distinct number
    otherwise check and see if it is a variety they recognize (needs FS-#, or series specialist number, .... they have a list)
    if not you get 'minor variety' posted on slab but not really what it is

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I actually want to do a regrade. I have 30 of these these so cracking is a PITA. I am positive on the varieties and they have PCGS coin #'s. they are FS 802 and 803's. I have others that are just the variety WDDR004 and WDDr003. All the coins are 66RD and graded prior to the varieties even being known.

    They have PCGS coin #'s 569547 and 569550

    The 66'rds go for between $50 and $100 but a 67RD (hence regrade) is worth the money (price guide $2500), all I need is 1. It is a wash if they all come back 66RD, again.

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