How was it determined this off-center USPI 5c is from 1919?
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How did NGC determined this coin is from 1919?
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@MWallace might be able to answer your question. He collects errors, as does @ctf_error_coins and a few others.
Dwayne F. Sessom
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Actually, you need a PI coinage specialist. Apparently, there is some die marker that's unique to the 1919-S five centavos.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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As PCGS does not list a 5 centavo 1919 S, perhaps it was a special strike that could only be 1919 S. Don't have a book on Philipine coins. Hopefully, someone who does will chime in. Notice their is no dot above the S as in other S mint 5 centavos.
Jim
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I would bet it is a mechanical error and was meant to be labeled "19xx". The style of S-mint mark looks to match the one used in the mid 1940s.
Sean Reynolds
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Sean. It’s even worse than that I’m afraid. The design on the reverse didn’t get put into use until 1937, so it is impossible for the coin to be dated 1919-S. With all due respect, not only should NGC have caught that, but also the Heritage cataloguer. The coin is either a 44-S or 45-S unfortunately worth a tiny fraction of the price of a 1919-S 5C in MS66, which is unheard of in that grade by the way. I sold a finest known MS65 1919-S at Heritage for the record price of just under $3,000. An MS66 from 1919-S would have been worth a small fortune, let alone struck 55% OC.
Just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin
Coin Facts shows a 1919-S Five Centavos under Territorial, U.S. Philippines.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Agree with mechanical error "19xx". If NGC were somehow able to determine the date by other means, they would have used parentheses (1919).
That's weird for here's what I see when I look under U.S. Territorial Philippines. But when I go to coinfacts from this page it produces individual coins that list a 1919 S, but notice the S does have a dot above as do the the earlier S mint coins. I'll pass to someone with experience, as I obviously do not. lol
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
As these gentlemen said, this design and this mint mark style were not used until long after 1919.
Wonder coin is correct. The Philippine collector community already discussed this among ourselves its a mis--labeled and poor QA all along the line. Total agreement with wonder coins analysis.
This from our senior Philippine collector community with over 138 + total years experience collecting US Philippines coins.
Krueger
Myself 48 years
Not to minimize anybody's experience but just a quick look at a SCWC is all anybody would need to sort this out.