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Long Cross coin help
SimonW
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Not my series at all, I’ve had this for years, some random thing I thought was cool, but I’d like to figure out exactly what it is. I’ve spent a little time looking through some identification guides and am having a hard time telling exactly which king this coin pertains to. As far as I can tell it’s probably a half-penny from one of the later Edwards. Can anyone baby step me through this? What’s important when identifying them?
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The mint is VILL/A BE/REV/VICI (Berwick), so it was struck either 1296-1318 or 1333-1344 and doesn't fit the usual classification, but Christopher Blunt's Berwick types.
The obverse legend is EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB (EDWARDVS REX ANGLIE DOMINVS HYBERNIE) with no stops. So it's Edward I.
It isn't Type II because the E is open and the Vs have serifs. It isn't IIIa, IVa or IVb because the N in DNS is Roman. So with that legend, it is either Type IIIb or IVc.
To distinguish those, you have to work out whether the side lis on the crown has 2 or 3 petals, and whether there is a pellet on the breast.
IIIb - trifoliate, no pellet.
IVc - bifoliate, with pellet.
I think this is IVc, like this https://hallshammeredcoins.com/websitepics/Edward_I_Berwick3_HHC1066.jpg
That’s awesome! Thank you so much!!!
As far as rarity goes, pretty common?
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I wouldn't call Berwick common, but this type is fairly numerous for Berwick. They're historically interesting as Edward I was fighting over Berwick at the time. Some of the dies seem to have come from (or been inspired by) London, but they do not follow the usual development of other Edwardian pennies.
Thank you for the help! Very much appreciated
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@John Conduitt
Funny, just by chance I acquired a Berwick minted Edward I penny to give to my son in law this Christmas.
He’s originally from Sheffield, himself. Not too far from Berwick-on Tweed. Obviously quite similar to the OP’s coin.
It's a great coin, with toning too. I don't know what he'll say if you tell him Berwick is near Sheffield, but he'll like the coin.
Cool! Do you remember what you paid? I don’t know what values are on these, for an average one $50-$80 or so?
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@John Conduitt > @John Conduitt said:
Yah. Here in the US Midwest states we have a different sense of distance than the Brits. It can be almost 300 miles to get from one end of Wisconsin to the other, depending on what direction you’re headed. Sheffield and Berwick are 200 miles apart. But you are right, he told me Sheffield and Berwick were definitely not “close”
I liked his coin so much, I went out and found one of my own at auction, this one a nice London variety for contrast: