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the holding call that everyone is up in arms about

galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

when they showed the initial replay i had a real problem with it. i think i even said "ticky-tack crap call that just decided the super bowl." then they showed a replay from a different angle and i immediately changed my mind. and that's because Bradberry tugged JuJu's jersey. that's an insta-flag move.

i still can't find the replay that clearly shows the infraction, so if anyone stumbles across it please post it here.

until then, this is all anyone needs to know. from the mouth of Bradberry himself:

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I mentioned in another post the refs let one slide on Philly in the first quarter. But what is a game w/o a controversy.

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    WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it true the flag was thrown AFTER the pass fell incomplete and not early in the play when the holding happened. if true, that certainly adds to the rigging controversy. I didn't care who won the game but I hated seeing this great game decided by a semi ticky tack call. I think the refs should have let it play out with no flag. Let the teams decide the game instead of the refs. JMHO

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    doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guys are going to try to get away with stuff if they can, they know sometimes the ref doesn't see it. Just look at the helmet catch play in the 2007 Super Bowl, Shaun O'Hara admitted that Richard Seymour had him beat on the play, so he choked him to keep him from getting to Eli, hoping that the refs wouldn't catch it, and they didn't and the rest is history.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Holding or not the ref should have kept the flag in his pocket. What a terrible way to end a great game. My opinion? It only fuels the conspiracy nuts that games are rigged. I read all week about the million dollar bets going on Philly.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    technically, it was holding, so it was the correct call. Eagles fans really cant complain. it wouldn't really have mattered anyways. they still would have kicked the field goal and Philly would have had less than a minute to counter.

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    2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    technically, it was holding, so it was the correct call. Eagles fans really cant complain. it wouldn't really have mattered anyways. they still would have kicked the field goal and Philly would have had less than a minute to counter.

    But wouldn’t you have like to see what Philly would have done with the ball with 90 seconds left and a time out? Instead we got a chip shot and an anticlimactic end.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:

    @craig44 said:
    technically, it was holding, so it was the correct call. Eagles fans really cant complain. it wouldn't really have mattered anyways. they still would have kicked the field goal and Philly would have had less than a minute to counter.

    But wouldn’t you have like to see what Philly would have done with the ball with 90 seconds left and a time out? Instead we got a chip shot and an anticlimactic end.

    yes, it would have been fun. But, technically, it was holding. The right call was made. It never would have come to that had Hurts not put the ball on the ground in the first half. he wasn't even hit, just dropped it.

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I posted in the other thread:

    For those who didn't like the call on James Bradberry, here's the word from the man himself:

    “It was a holding. I tugged his jersey. I was hoping they would let it slide."

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    fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2023 8:38AM

    I thought it was a lame call but I think these calls have everything to do with the angle the ref has. If he sees the jersey tug and some restriction for the WR they will throw the flag 100% of the time. Most of the times that the penalty is not called is when the ref responsible for the call is shielded and doesn't see the hand pulling on the jersey.

    The CB shouldn't have put the ref in the position to make the call, and even the CB agreed that he held him. Gotta give the CB props for being real even if the fans have trouble accepting it.

    Always funny that people think games like these are rigged. No way the ref waits until less than 2 minutes left to "rig" the game. If you look back at the history of rigged refs, they influence the game from the beginning (if subtly). They don't want to miss their chance by waiting for a last second call.

    While I was happy the Chiefs won (even though I thought the Eagles were going to blow them out), I would have liked to see that as a no call. I felt like the refs were letting them play. Were there any offensive holding calls? In the end though, the Eagles only have themselves to blame. They scored 35 points and their defense was non-existent. I thought their D line would maul Mahomes but I am not sure he took even one good hit the entire game. Very, very poor game from the Eagles D and that is what cost them the Super Bowl, not a late call by the refs.

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fergie23 said:
    I thought it was a lame call but I think these calls have everything to do with the angle the ref has. If he sees the jersey tug and some restriction for the WR they will throw the flag 100% of the time. Most of the times that the penalty is not called is when the ref responsible for the call is shielded and doesn't see the hand pulling on the jersey.

    The CB shouldn't have put the ref in the position to make the call, and even the CB agreed that he held him. Gotta give the CB props for being real even if the fans have trouble accepting it.

    Always funny that people think games like these are rigged. No way the ref waits until less than 2 minutes left to "rig" the game. If you look back at the history of rigged refs, they influence the game from the beginning (if subtly). They don't want to miss their chance by waiting for a last second call.

    While I was happy the Chiefs won (even though I thought the Eagles were going to blow them out), I would have liked to see that as a no call. I felt like the refs were letting them play. Were there any offensive holding calls? In the end though, the Eagles only have themselves to blame. They scored 35 points and their defense was non-existent. I thought their D line would maul Mahomes but I am not sure he took even one good hit the entire game. Very, very poor game from the Eagles D and that is what cost them the Super Bowl, not a late call by the refs.

    Robb

    I agree with all you say above, but give KC and Mahomes some credit for the win. It wasn't all about the Eagles D having a poor game, KC offense and Mahomes had something to do with that as well.


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    thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @2dueces said:

    @craig44 said:
    technically, it was holding, so it was the correct call. Eagles fans really cant complain. it wouldn't really have mattered anyways. they still would have kicked the field goal and Philly would have had less than a minute to counter.

    But wouldn’t you have like to see what Philly would have done with the ball with 90 seconds left and a time out? Instead we got a chip shot and an anticlimactic end.

    yes, it would have been fun. But, technically, it was holding. The right call was made. It never would have come to that had Hurts not put the ball on the ground in the first half. he wasn't even hit, just dropped it.

    .....
    This is where the referees put their stamp on the game. Sure, technically a penalty. But was it called every time? There is a certain flow that the game takes on in terms of officiating. In my opinion, that call didn't fit. There are almost always little fouls that they could call on every play.

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    MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Though I still think it was bogus call I doubt it would have changed the outcome of the game. Absent holding the Chiefs would have kicked a slightly longer Field Goal and left Philly with about 1:10 or so on the clock after the kick-off.

    That would have been a good finish but we got a nasty cloud instead.

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    craig44craig44 Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ultimately, I dont think it would have changed the outcome.

    what would have changed the outcome is if Hurts wouldn't have gifted KC a TD by putting the ball on the ground without even being hit. That is the play everyone should be talking about. Changed the entire game.

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    MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,965 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I watched some film last night on Youtube that shows the "tug" clearly, a camera angle I hadn't seen. Looks like it happened right after the play started to develop, maybe right at the 20 yard line. It certainly took that Official a long time to get the laundry out.

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