Who Says Redskins Defense Sucks??!!
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They got the best corner in the game, Champ Bailey.
Got a great young future pro-bowler at the other corner, Fred Smoot.
Great 3rd Corner, Darrell Green.
The best linebacker in the game, Lavar Arrington.
Another GREAT all-pro Linebacker Jeremiah Trotter.
A good veteran linebacker, Armstead. (Little past his prime)
They have an average d-line Wynn and Wilkenson anchoring it. (Hurts to lose Kenard Lang)
A good safety on Sam Shade
and Marvin Lewis!
Now, offense is a diferent story. I still cannot understand why the 'Skins let Blake go to the Ravens for the same amount of money as Matthews?? All the 'skins need is a old, slow-ass, QB.
I think if the offense can score 14 points a game, the Redskins are headed to the playoffs
Got a great young future pro-bowler at the other corner, Fred Smoot.
Great 3rd Corner, Darrell Green.
The best linebacker in the game, Lavar Arrington.
Another GREAT all-pro Linebacker Jeremiah Trotter.
A good veteran linebacker, Armstead. (Little past his prime)
They have an average d-line Wynn and Wilkenson anchoring it. (Hurts to lose Kenard Lang)
A good safety on Sam Shade
and Marvin Lewis!
Now, offense is a diferent story. I still cannot understand why the 'Skins let Blake go to the Ravens for the same amount of money as Matthews?? All the 'skins need is a old, slow-ass, QB.
I think if the offense can score 14 points a game, the Redskins are headed to the playoffs
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-I don't know to much about Smoot, so I won't say anything.
-Green oughta think about retirement, he's still as fast as anyone, but he's going to get hurt.
-Arrington aint the best LB in the game, look at Urlacher, Ray Lewis, and Peter Boulware, I could name another 3-5 easily.
-I like Trotter, can't say anything about him
-Armstead, I've met him about 12 times(I'm a HUGE Giants fan) and he's a nice guy, who should cut some fat off his contract and stayed a Giant, but he got greedy(So's Strahan).
-Wilkenson is another oldie.
You guys have little offense to speak of.
NBA and Ahendi-"A bunce of over-achievers"
More like underachievers. Hyped the last 2 seasons. The Skins haven't done sh*t.
"Bedsides McNabb, the only good offense player the Eagles have is a former Redskin; James Thrash"
I still think Thrash is a bum. You forgot there TE Lewis, RB Staley, and there great guard Runyan.
I'm a Giants fan and I hate Philly more than the Skins, but lets face it. The Skins aren't going anywhere. If you would like to make a friendly wager, lmk.
LOL, Staley is a peice of TRASH!!!
Urlacher is nasty but Arrington is better; don't believe the hype.
Please name 3 DB's better than Bailey; and do not say Woodson, lol.
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STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 51 49 2 0 0 1 0 3 17 5.0 12 0 18
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Here's a couple of guys who are better by the stats.
J. Sehorn 01 Stats:
STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 63 58 5 1 0 1 0 3 34 11.0 34 1 16
C. Woodson 01 Stats:
STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 53 42 11 2 0 1 1 1 64 64.0 34 0 11
D. Starks 01 Stats:
STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 59 56 3 0 0 4 0 4 9 2.0 9 0 15
A. Williams 01 Stats:
STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 73 57 16 0 0 1 0 4 69 17.0 42 2 18
D. Bly 01 Stats:
STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 30 30 0 0 0 1 0 6 150 25.0 93 2 9
R. Barber 01 Stats:
STATS TOT SOLO AST SACK SF FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2001 69 61 8 1 0 1 1 10 86 8.0 36 1 24
I can put down prolly 5-7 more players whose stats are better than your so called "best" DB.
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So how do you figure he's the best, I'd like to know.
BAILEY ONLY GAVE UP 2 TOUCHDOWNS ALL YEAR AND SHUT RECEIVERS DOWN IN THE REDZONE.
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I'm still not seeing how he's the best. His numbers are good, calling them "great" is a stretch knowing 15-17 guys are putting up similar numbers. Maybe you see something others don't.
I looked at Smoots #'s and from my standpoint, there right up there with Baileys.
I'll soon be putting up some #'s on why Arrington isn't the best.
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well let's see...
1) Bailey is not the best corner in the league... he is da^n good and i would say top 3 or 5, but not the best... YanksFan, please o please don't say Sehorn, Woodson, Starks, Williams, Bly, or Barber are better DB's... u have really GOT TO BE joking... what everyone fails to realize, once again, is stats can be misleading... Bailey's numbers aren't great because QB'S DO NOT THROW THE BALL HIS WAY... it's hard to get any sort of statistics when u aren't involved in the plays... he was also hurt for a few games last year, which is the main reason for allowing one of the TD's... the other TD he just got burned on... and unfortunately i had to see it in person when Ismail blew past him... but making ONE mistake a whole season doesn't strip your title of being great...
2) Smoot is going to be a better CB than Bailey... i could say i think he is now... Smoot is an unbelievable player... he led the team in INT's (5) even while missing 2 games and starting all but 1... i might also add he was a ROOKIE... QB's also learned last year NOT to throw in Smoot's direction... keep your eye on this man...
3) Darrell Green - the best DB ever to play the game... how many seasons do average DB's last? i can tell u it's not 20... hell, it's not even close to 20... the man is still the fastest (maybe 2nd fastest since we got Cliff Russell) on the team and still one of the fastest in the NFL... he can keep up with any receiver... however, he is getting older and his height is becoming a factor... but who better would u want to mentor your younger DB's (Bailey and Smoot) than the legend himself... this will be his last season and definitely one to remember... he did get injured a few games last year but i'd take Green over most of the DB's in the league anyday...
that's 3 corner's right there i'd have starting my secondary ANYDAY OF THE WEEK...
4) Arrington... other than Ray Lewis, Arrington IS the best LB in the NFL... and after this season, i am sure i will be saying he is THE best... please stop with your stats and watch the games... watch the man play... it's truly UNBELIEVABLE... LaVar has greatness written all over him... he's the player i am most excited about watching this year... u are correct about him not having any sacks, but u are wrong in blaming him... he plays where the coaches play him and so far the Skins haven't had a coach that knows what to do with him... well, that is all about to change... look for Arrington to be defensive player of the year this season... Marvin Lewis has already said he wants his sack numbers and INT's to increase and he will put him in situations to make that happen... our D-Line has been horrible the last 2 years which also contributes to more players blocking Arrington as they get through the line... and our LB's? i like Kevin Mitchell and i liked Shawn Barber, but c'mon they are not Jeremiah Trotter and Jesse Armstead... Arrington will have so much space and free room to run, he's gonna kill someone... Lewis is the smartest defensive mind in the game and i am sure he will know how to use Arrington, much like he used Ray Lewis... i can't say enough about LaVar to get my point across... just please, watch the man play...
5) Trotter and Armstead were crazy sick additions... this LB corp is going to BEAST... 3 Pro-Bowl LB's hovering around... where the stretchers at?! of course right now, they are only good on paper... but if they work together and play together as well on paper as they in the games, ooooo man, it's gonna be a fun season...
as far as under-achievers, there could be some truth to that... i would say more-so in 2000 than any other year... nobody expected the Skins to do sh!t last year and they reached an 8-8 record which was amazing... their offense was 2nd to worse in the NFL, so how is a defense supposed to play when they are always on the field because the offense cannot score points or move the ball... stats, once again, are misleading... the Skins defense played their hearts out last year and they are the only reason they finished with a .500 record... if they finished with a .500 record last year having a completely HORRIBLE offense and a decent defense, what the hell do u think they'll do this year??????????????????????? the defense has already improved so drastically (even though they were good last year) that people are talking best in the NFL... the offense has even improved a lot (not like it can get much worse) and with Spurrier directing it, it has GOT TO BE better... i would agree with ahendi, if the offense can score 14 points, the Skins will win... u thought the Ravens D of 2000 was good, well i'm scared to think what the Skins D of 2002 could be like...
just please don't sit there and talk about stats all day... football is not determined by stats, but instead by how players actually perform... u can take your stats all u want, but i'll take my players anyday over anyone else in the league...
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dexter Coakley and Kevin Hardy will tear up at OLB
La' Roi Glover , Greg Ellis at the line and the only place we lack is CB
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<< <i>and the only place we lack is CB >>
only place? lol that's a pretty important place...
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<< <i>well actually I forgot Bryant Westbrook ..... I gues were not lacking at many positions...... 1 CB, 1 DT, 1 LB ( dat Nyugen is pretty good so... maybe not) >>
i will admit the Cowboys should be much improved this year... however, i don't see them doing much better than last... maybe 8-8 or 9-7... they have a hard schedule - same with our whole division...
we need to improve our offense.. as soon as smith breaks the record we will be better off with a new RB
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<< <i>i predict a solid 9-7 ... not to talk trash but 2 of the wins will be against the skins... we doooo have a huge winning streak on yall
we need to improve our offense.. as soon as smith breaks the record we will be better off with a new RB >>
those 2 wins might be for us this season... Spurrier brings a new attitude... better warn your boys in Dallas we comin...
I actually watch the Skins play. Usually between 9-11 games a season. Arrington is da*n good I'll tell you that, but not the best. Maybe in the Top 5, but thats really stretching it. Solidly in the Top 10 though. He's not even close close to Ray Lewis or Urlacher, who in my mind the Top 2 in the League.
I think the best thing that the Skins have done in 2 seasons(maybe longer) is to bring in a coach thats a winner.
Thito-I never said Bailey isn't better than those that I listed. Woodson is still better than him. He's not going to be the "best" and niether will Arrington. Both will be in the Top 7 in the NFL, but I don't see Arrington or Bailey dominating like everyone expects out of them.
Quick Q, whos the starting QB for the Skins?
The Cowboys need a good RB, LB, and get rid of Quincy Carter!
<< <i>I actually watch the Skins play. Usually between 9-11 games a season. Arrington is da*n good I'll tell you that, but not the best. Maybe in the Top 5, but thats really stretching it. Solidly in the Top 10 though. He's not even close close to Ray Lewis or Urlacher, who in my mind the Top 2 in the League.
I think the best thing that the Skins have done in 2 seasons(maybe longer) is to bring in a coach thats a winner.
Thito-I never said Bailey isn't better than those that I listed. Woodson is still better than him. He's not going to be the "best" and niether will Arrington. Both will be in the Top 7 in the NFL, but I don't see Arrington or Bailey dominating like everyone expects out of them.
Quick Q, whos the starting QB for the Skins?
The Cowboys need a good RB, LB, and get rid of Quincy Carter! >>
Arrington isn't TOP 5????????????????????????????? ok c'mon man... flatter me and tell me who u think is top 5... i'll give u Ray Lewis and Urlacher (who's NOT better than Arrington, but is top 5), but there is NOBODY ELSE better than LaVar Arrington... how can u honestly u say u watch him play and then say he's not even close to Ray Lewis or Urlacher... the man is a beast... he truly is a genius when it comes to the LB position... very, VERY, soon LaVar will be known as the BEST LB in the league... please prove me wrong (without useless stats)...
<< <i>Lets switch it up, hows Arrington better than either Lewis or Urlacher? I'll put up my list of Top 5 in a little bit. >>
i never said he was better than Ray Lewis... i did say Urlacher because Arrington is smarter... don't get me wrong when i say this because Urlacher is my 3rd best LB in the NFL... i think Urlacher has TREMENDOUS talent, but not better than Arrington... i watch football every Sunday... Skins come first but when they aren't on i watch the next best game... i have seen Urlacher play many times and the guy is great... but he also has 2 MONSTER's in the middle of that defensive line that stop any offensive lineman and/or RB/TE from getting to him... in addition to that, he has 2 great LB's on either side of him so he can focus solely on his own position... the Bears have a great secondary, especially behind Urlacher at safety... he has absolutely anywhere to roam and make plays because there is NOBODY blocking him... he's fast, but Arrington is faster... he's smart, but Arrington is smarter... he hits hard, but Arrington hits harder... Urlacher has better stats, but big deal? the proof is in the games... Kenard Lang (an UNDER-sized DE that was switched to DT last season) and Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson were stuck in the middle of the Skins D-Line... Arrington had so many blockers in his face the last year that he wasn't free to roam like Urlacher was... but what made him great, was even with that, he STILL made HUGE plays and led the Skins defense with ease... next was the Skins LB's - Shawn Barber and Kevin Mitchell... both are good LB's, but struggled at times... this caused Arrington to have to help out more... Skins have 2 average safety's in Sam Shade and David Terrell (a converted DB whom Marty THOUGHT coupld excel at saftey)... they struggled which reflected on Arrington because the Skins had too many plays where he dropped back in pass coverage to help the safeties... and on a final note, it was the coaches... i'll admit Kurt Schottenheimer did a much better job than Ray Rhodes with Arrington, but nobody has figured out how and where to play such a talent... Marvin Lewis seems to be that man... he has recognized what has happened to LaVar the past 2 seasons and has already created PLAYS JUST FOR HIM... he has him coming from everywhere this year, even rushing from the DE position... LaVar can do it all and his physical athleticism is truly unmatched... he posseses many Ray Lewis-like qualities and i can't wait to see him have his breakthrough season this year... hell, even John Clayton agrees with me...
Expect big things from Arrington
Arrington benefits from the addition of defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis, who made Ray Lewis a superstar in Baltimore and coached numerous Pro Bowl linebackers with the Steelers. Lewis plans to put Arrington in position to make big plays. During his first two seasons, he recorded only one sack and had three interceptions. The additions of middle linebacker Jeremiah Trotter and Jessie Armstead give Arrington the luxury of being featured on more blitzes.
-John Clayton, ESPN
THIS IS WHY-
EAGLES ARE TOO PRE-OCCUPIED WITH BEATING THE RAMS (ALOT OF DBACKS AND FAST SECONDARY- THEY NEED AN OFFENSE!!)
COWBOYS- NO CHANCE- SORRY EMMITT
GIANTS- NO OFFENSE, NOT ENOUGH DEFENSE
HOWEVER- SKINS LACK OFFENSE- SO THEY WILL BE OUT FIRST RD PLAYOFFS IN ALL LIKELY HOOD
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But anyway quit the blame game on why Arrington hasn't been productive yet, note the yet because he is da*n good, but not the best and your post illustrated why....
"During his first two seasons, he recorded only one sack and had three interceptions"-Not enough production, I don't care who he has around him, he has the talent to be a playmaker, but he hasn't fulfilled his abilities. Don't say the only reason Urlacher is great is because of the guys around him, don't forget until last season the Bears were perennial losers. Urlacher is a monster, and I don't think Arrington has lived up to his hype. He certainly has the tools to be great, but he's not there yet. Also, I watch FB every sunday, every Thanksgiving, and all the playoffs.
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THIS IS WHY-
EAGLES ARE TOO PRE-OCCUPIED WITH BEATING THE RAMS (ALOT OF DBACKS AND FAST SECONDARY- THEY NEED AN OFFENSE!!)
COWBOYS- NO CHANCE- SORRY EMMITT
GIANTS- NO OFFENSE, NOT ENOUGH DEFENSE
HOWEVER- SKINS LACK OFFENSE- SO THEY WILL BE OUT FIRST RD PLAYOFFS IN ALL LIKELY HOOD"
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<< <i>But anyway quit the blame game on why Arrington hasn't been productive yet, note the yet because he is da*n good, but not the best and your post illustrated why....
"During his first two seasons, he recorded only one sack and had three interceptions"-Not enough production, I don't care who he has around him, he has the talent to be a playmaker, but he hasn't fulfilled his abilities. Don't say the only reason Urlacher is great is because of the guys around him, don't forget until last season the Bears were perennial losers. Urlacher is a monster, and I don't think Arrington has lived up to his hype. He certainly has the tools to be great, but he's not there yet. Also, I watch FB every sunday, every Thanksgiving, and all the playoffs. >>
wrong... i said Arrington WAS productive even with all those obstacles which is WHY HE IS THE BEST... and sorry man, but football is a team sport, and who u have around does count - more in football than any other sport... he HAS fulfilled his abilites and i'd take him anyday over ANY LB in the NFL because of his talent and his heart... after this season, u tell me Arrington hasn't "lived up to his hype"... or u could just ask Emmitt Smith if ya want?
BTW, i didn't see a your other 3 "better" LB's...
and for the record, i'd take Bernie anyday over Andruw...
and yes the Skins WILL win the NFC East... no competition (please don't say the Eagles) and they will have a GOOD TEAM... and they way i look at it is this... if they make the playoffs, their offense must have done something right... and once u make it to the playoffs, anything can happen... look at the Ravens in 2000 - they had a GREAT offense right????
anything is possible...
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