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Die face Rockwell test?

I show here a picture of what I, and I’m sure only I will believe is die and planchet Rockwell test results on coins.



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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stop eating your time here with it and send it in for certification already.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    are those raised or endented?

  • Romrob1843rrRomrob1843rr Posts: 38
    edited January 13, 2023 11:32AM

    The circled picture has the indented coin on left right one is raised.

  • smuglrsmuglr Posts: 407 ✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    There are two really nice ones on either side of "UNUM". ;)

    I firmly believe there is also one between 'E' and 'PLURIBUS' ;)

  • Romrob1843rrRomrob1843rr Posts: 38
    edited January 13, 2023 1:02PM

    Hope you’re checking your piggy bank for them!

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,369 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    Hope you’re checking your piggy bank for them!

    I think he'd have better luck searching a Walmart parking lot. ;)

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They said none could be found in circulation, yet you went ahead and found two in a week!
    You are one lucky guy 😆

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,819 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2023 3:47PM

    @DCW said:
    They said none could be found in circulation, yet you went ahead and found two in a week!
    You are one lucky guy 😆

    Lol. Not only that, we found two different types.

  • They said man would not get to the moon and no one would break a 4 minute mile also.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Galileo Fallacy
    (also known as: Galileo argument, Galileo defense, Galileo gambit, Galileo wannabe)

    Description: The claim that because an idea is forbidden, prosecuted, detested, or otherwise mocked, it must be true, or should be given more credibility. This originates from Galileo Galilei's famous persecution by the Roman Catholic Church for his defense of heliocentrism when the commonly accepted belief at the time was an earth-centered universe.

    Logical Form:

    Claim X is made.

    Claim X is ridiculous.

    Person A argues that claim Y was seen as ridiculous at the time, and it turned out to be right.

    Therefore, claim X is true (or should be given more credibility).

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    They said man would not get to the moon and no one would break a 4 minute mile also.

    They also said that unicorns don't exist, Bigfoot wasn't real, and fire-breathing dragons don't exist. Let me know when you find those also.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    They said man would not get to the moon and no one would break a 4 minute mile also.

    You're obsessing over something NO ONE BUT YOU has said in this forum. No one here said they don't or can't exist.

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    They said man would not get to the moon and no one would break a 4 minute mile also.

    You're obsessing over something NO ONE BUT YOU has said in this forum. No one here said they don't or can't exist.

    I don’t recall stating that, I said someone commented they believe one would not be found in circulation. Find my post where I posted that and let me know where it is.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    they do exist

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,819 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Romrob1843rr said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    They said man would not get to the moon and no one would break a 4 minute mile also.

    You're obsessing over something NO ONE BUT YOU has said in this forum. No one here said they don't or can't exist.

    I don’t recall stating that, I said someone commented they believe one would not be found in circulation. Find my post where I posted that and let me know where it is.

    You just said it again. No one on this forum said that. You're the only one who has alleged it. You state that some anonymous source says they can't be found, claim to find one, and if we're skeptical you accuse us off claiming they can't be found. And it doesn't matter. Your coin is or isn't whether no one or 1000 people said they don't exist

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    I don’t recall stating that, I said someone commented they believe one would not be found in circulation. Find my post where I posted that and let me know where it is.

    You wrote it in your very first post on your other thread. :#

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Posted elsewhere:

    I asked the Mint if there was a time in the past when a Rockwell Test was performed on the face of a die. Here is their answer: "No, there was not a time in the past when hardness testing was done on a die face. However, there may have been isolated instances of hardness testing on the face of the die for other purposes outside of normal production (for example, research and development, root-cause investigation, or equipment testing/acceptance)."

  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh for God's sake...Send the stupid things in, show us the coins in the slabs with labels proclaiming them as Rockwell test pieces and then you can have a huge I-told-you-so thread. Until that happens you're wasting both your time and everyone else's.


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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2023 2:22PM

    Not anything I am proficient at, but about 20 to 30 years ago, I received this 1986 American Eagle and was told by dealers and later this very forum that it had a Rockwell hardness test performed on it and not on the die. I don't know one way or the other, could have been someone with a diamond head punch or whatever. It was indented. I was able to find 2 photos of it and not the whole coin. I loaned it to someone to take to a coin show and never got it back. Not mad any longer. lol
    Jim



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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    Not anything I am proficient at, but about 20 to 30 years ago, I received this 1986 American Eagle and was told by dealers and later this very forum that it had a Rockwell hardness test performed on it and not on the die. I don't know one way or the other, could have been someone with a diamond head punch or whatever. It was indented. I was able to find 2 photos of it and not the whole coin. I loaned it to someone to take to a coin show and never got it back. Not mad any longer. lol
    Jim


    Now THAT looks like a legitimate Rockwell test mark. Symmetrical, deep and most importantly, it's on a first year of issue coin where it would be totally logical to do so.


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  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    Not anything I am proficient at, but about 20 to 30 years ago, I received this 1986 American Eagle and was told by dealers and later this very forum that it had a Rockwell hardness test performed on it and not on the die. I don't know one way or the other, could have been someone with a diamond head punch or whatever. It was indented. I was able to find 2 photos of it and not the whole coin. I loaned it to someone to take to a coin show and never got it back. Not mad any longer. lol
    Jim

    Did the person lose it? Surely you didn’t give it to a complete stranger?

  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:
    Posted elsewhere:

    I asked the Mint if there was a time in the past when a Rockwell Test was performed on the face of a die. Here is their answer: "No, there was not a time in the past when hardness testing was done on a die face. However, there may have been isolated instances of hardness testing on the face of the die for other purposes outside of normal production (for example, research and development, root-cause investigation, or equipment testing/acceptance)."

    If you’re quoting someone else they aren’t your words.

    Either way cool find. Send it in.

  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That mark on the silver eagle is one helluva lot bigger than the mark inbetween the memorial bays on the OP's cent. Are there different sizes? :D

    Im still failing to see how any of these would carry a premium. What would prevent any of us from doing a Rockwell test on a coin right now and coming up with some crazy story about it happening in the Mint? Nothing!

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Romrob1843rr said:
    I show here a picture of what I, and I’m sure only I will believe is die and planchet Rockwell test results on coins.

    Correct. Nobody else will believe that.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On the Silver Eagle I can see what appears to be a slight raised mound around the punch.

    That would seem to prove PMD.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny010 said:
    If you’re quoting someone else they aren’t your words.

    Yes, I'm quoting something someone else posted on another website. They're not my words.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone know if the CANADA 1936 dot coins were from dies that had Rockwell tests?? if not what was the reason for the dots?

    I remember reading about one year the mint put dots on Indianhead cents to detect internal theft. What year was that and was in Rockwell test?

  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,717 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the Canadians used the added dot or maple leaf for coins minted in the next year when dies were not yet available.

    But I could be wrong.

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    Does anyone know if the CANADA 1936 dot coins were from dies that had Rockwell tests?? if not what was the reason for the dots?

    I remember reading about one year the mint put dots on Indianhead cents to detect internal theft. What year was that and was in Rockwell test?

    1875 dot reverse. Dot punched in the die to catch a theif. Not a Rockwell test.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    On the Silver Eagle I can see what appears to be a slight raised mound around the punch.

    That would seem to prove PMD.

    That was beveled not a raised mound.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    Does anyone know if the CANADA 1936 dot coins were from dies that had Rockwell tests?? if not what was the reason for the dots?

    It was anticipated that there might be difficulty getting new dies ready in time for George VI in 1937 so a dot was placed on 1, 10 and 25 cent 1936 George V dies to indicate they were struck in a different year from the date. The 1 cent and 10 cent coins with dots are extremely rare and not believed to have been issued for circulation. 25 cent examples are somewhat scarce but not hard to find.

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