8 reales Mexico by Morelos

Sergey74

Hi, boys (young and old). Thank you for attentive. Here is the coin 8 reales 1816 with counterstamp Mo by general Morelos, it is time of War for indepention. Look not bad but some bad thing that Morelos was killed by Spanish in 1815, and i don't know another coins with "Mo" in 1816. But i don't know mexican coins good. Please help. I will show pictures with using hosting, hope that you see it, if not, you know description. Maybe the coin is fake? Sorry for bad English.
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Sergey74

Sergey74

Sorry, don't so clever men know it? In Krause catalogue there is not the coin with "Mo" in 1816. Question: real or fake. The coin should be real but countermark is not, i don't know. Sorry again for bad english.

TwoKopeiki

Well, the host coin (1816 Durango) even with what looks to be shaved edge appears to be real. The counterstamp looks to be an example of deep striated fake stamps we've seen in the last decade.

Sergey74

Thank you, i think the same.

Abuelo

Morelos was dead by 1816 and his movement very much extinguished.

Sergey74

Hi. Maybe for you it's interesting to see another lots of the seller with the topic coin. Do you think all coins are fake?
Sorry again and again for my English.

Sergey74

Ps. I mean that stamps are fake, coins are real, i think.

Abuelo

Am I sceptical of the counterstamp? Yes I am.

pruebas

Why would anyone put a poorly faked stamp on a genuine coin?

Sergey74

Abuelo, thank you, no questions else.

Rexford

@pruebas said:
Why would anyone put a poorly faked stamp on a genuine coin?

To try and pass it off as an expensive counterstamped type. It’s actually fairly common to see.

Sergey74

Certainly. The coin with "Mo" by Morelos is rare coin and it can be with bad condition but good price. Usual those coin in bad condition don't have interest to be buy.

PillarDollarCollector

They all look fake (stamps). Do not buy these coins. There is no such thing as good prices on rare coins that is also a huge big red flag. Like the saying goes to good to be true.

TwoKopeiki

Here are a few of these deep counterstamps with striations I've handled a couple of years ago:

Sergey74

Sorry, i don't see this imagines. Can you past it another way?

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TwoKopeiki

Sergey74

Thank you! It's dangerous to buy this types. I'll show this photos to the seller, he said that he have bought the things by european dealer.

Sergey74

I don't know why this scammers who do the fake stamps didn't do smooth stamps like real.

TwoKopeiki

I've said it before and I'll say it again - with the continuing development of 3d printing tech and filaments used (like polycarbonate), it's only a matter of time until someone applies it to manufacturing punches. Even if the punch can only be used once before it's destroyed. I would be very weary of any counterstamp / chopmark collecting in the coming years.

pruebas

@TwoKopeiki said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - with the continuing development of 3d printing tech and filaments used (like polycarbonate), it's only a matter of time until someone applies it to manufacturing punches. Even if the punch can only be used once before it's destroyed. I would be very weary of any counterstamp / chopmark collecting in the coming years.

Which is why pedigree matters more than ever.

Sergey74

Oh, men. Then we will collect colour peaces of glass or something like this. I collect many chinese silver dragon and republican dollars and hope that big experience help me to know fake or real coin i hold in my arms but sometimes i have doubts. Scammers do more and more real fake coins.