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8 reales Mexico by Morelos

Hi, boys (young and old). Thank you for attentive. Here is the coin 8 reales 1816 with counterstamp Mo by general Morelos, it is time of War for indepention. Look not bad but some bad thing that Morelos was killed by Spanish in 1815, and i don't know another coins with "Mo" in 1816. But i don't know mexican coins good. Please help. I will show pictures with using hosting, hope that you see it, if not, you know description. Maybe the coin is fake? Sorry for bad English.
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  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭


    Peace.

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Sorry, don't so clever men know it? In Krause catalogue there is not the coin with "Mo" in 1816. Question: real or fake. The coin should be real but countermark is not, i don't know. Sorry again for bad english.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, the host coin (1816 Durango) even with what looks to be shaved edge appears to be real. The counterstamp looks to be an example of deep striated fake stamps we've seen in the last decade.

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Thank you, i think the same.

    Peace.

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Morelos was dead by 1816 and his movement very much extinguished.

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Hi. Maybe for you it's interesting to see another lots of the seller with the topic coin. Do you think all coins are fake?
    Sorry again and again for my English.






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  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Ps. I mean that stamps are fake, coins are real, i think.

    Peace.

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am I sceptical of the counterstamp? Yes I am.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why would anyone put a poorly faked stamp on a genuine coin?

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Abuelo, thank you, no questions else.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    Why would anyone put a poorly faked stamp on a genuine coin?

    To try and pass it off as an expensive counterstamped type. It’s actually fairly common to see.

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2023 10:58AM

    Certainly. The coin with "Mo" by Morelos is rare coin and it can be with bad condition but good price. Usual those coin in bad condition don't have interest to be buy.

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  • PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2023 11:44AM

    They all look fake (stamps). Do not buy these coins. There is no such thing as good prices on rare coins that is also a huge big red flag. Like the saying goes to good to be true.

    Collecting interests: Mexico & Peru early milled 1 reales + 1796-1891 US dimes

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are a few of these deep counterstamps with striations I've handled a couple of years ago:

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  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Sorry, i don't see this imagines. Can you past it another way?

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  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Thank you! It's dangerous to buy this types. I'll show this photos to the seller, he said that he have bought the things by european dealer.

    Peace.

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    I don't know why this scammers who do the fake stamps didn't do smooth stamps like real.

    Peace.

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - with the continuing development of 3d printing tech and filaments used (like polycarbonate), it's only a matter of time until someone applies it to manufacturing punches. Even if the punch can only be used once before it's destroyed. I would be very weary of any counterstamp / chopmark collecting in the coming years.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    I've said it before and I'll say it again - with the continuing development of 3d printing tech and filaments used (like polycarbonate), it's only a matter of time until someone applies it to manufacturing punches. Even if the punch can only be used once before it's destroyed. I would be very weary of any counterstamp / chopmark collecting in the coming years.

    Which is why pedigree matters more than ever.

  • Sergey74Sergey74 Posts: 151 ✭✭✭

    Oh, men. Then we will collect colour peaces of glass or something like this. I collect many chinese silver dragon and republican dollars and hope that big experience help me to know fake or real coin i hold in my arms but sometimes i have doubts. Scammers do more and more real fake coins.

    Peace.

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