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Greysheet's Feigenbaum interview with Andy Salzberg and why NGCX

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2022 9:42AM

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @291fifth said:
    Just think of how much money it is going to cost collectors and dealers if the "10" based scale catches on.

    If it catches on and brings in more collectors, it's quite possible collectors will do well with more demand.

    If it doesn't catch on, no worries.

    Did they ever catch on? Their just messing with us> @Broadstruck said:

    Gosh what a snooze fest as this has to be the most boring coin interview video I've ever seen! :s

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Chevyrose said:
    What does CACG have to do with NGCX?

    You mentioned pcgs is what 'real ones' will keep using , I am switching from pcgs to cacgx for all of my classic US coin grading, so...............

    My online coin store - https://desertmoonnm.com/
  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2022 9:58AM

    @Chevyrose said:
    John Albanese is 63 years old
    PCGS has been around 35 years

    Remember the last time John albanese started a grading company what was it called again? It’s on the tip of my tongue oh yeah NGC. Yeah they love being in second place. I’m sure this time around it’s gonna be much different > @Chevyrose said:
    I think cac and pcgs will lead the industry

    Ngc in 3rd place

    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    NGC IS the leader in ancients and world coins. PCGS IS trying to catch up in those markets.

    Also John Albanese co-founded PCGS as well as NGC so not sure how your comment above is relevant:

    https://www.blanchardgold.com/about/rare-coin-experts/#

    "John Albanese: a Renowned Name in Numismatics

    When you are ready to invest in a numismatic rarity, a rare coin expert like John Albanese is the person you want handpicking your coins for you. This is precisely what you get when choosing Blanchard.

    John has more than 35 years of experience in numismatics, and he holds the unique distinction of creating both of America’s leading independent coin-grading services. He co-founded Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) before launching Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC), where he personally graded more than one million coins.

    Today, John Albanese is a world-renowned authority on coin grading and the rare coin market, and he is America’s leading professional numismatist."

    My online coin store - https://desertmoonnm.com/
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @1madman said:
    My thoughts are that this concept will ultimately fail. The only coins that make sense to slab in the X holders are the Minnie Mouse Niue dreck of the world, because those coins don’t have to be explained to grandpa/ma buying the coin for the grandkids or as a store of value.

    I do see value in slabbing lowball modern coins in the X holders. I think they will be intriguing and rare because the labeling will be limited / short lived.

    Tightening the grading scale down to 10 from 70 doesn’t excite me. Widening it to 100 is when you’ll see the huge influx of regrading.

    Show me a VF22 or an XF43.

    That’s the point of it. A 1794 half currently in pcgs xf40 might change to an xf43 in a 100 point system, most likely adding value. That’s what the grading companies goals are, so that people continue to use their services. Just gotta create & teach the 100 point scale grading technique to the graders, which couldn’t be that difficult. From my understanding pcgs already uses a 700 point scale in order to determine plus grades.

    I bet the graders at NGC on the 10 point scale have no clue about assigning those arbitrary grades. They probably still use the 70 point scale, and someone in the encapsulation process converts it. Like if grades say au53, the encapsulation person converts that to 8.3 (or whatever new number they use).

    They will never make such fine distinctions. No one could tell the difference bergen a 41, 42, 43.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2022 10:02AM

    @Chevyrose said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    These arguments are mad boring

    Real ones will keep using pcgs and the Sheldon scale

    Real ones - who? Be specific, I am a 'real one' and probably won't do as you say above if given the chance to have a better numeric system of grading, and certainly I am all in for CACG for a TPG for US coins as least.

    Best, SH

    And sorry to beat a dead horse here but the new cac slabs they’re using the Sheldon scale!

    So idk man maybe start a new thread about how you’re “all in” over at cac that could be fun

    So? What is your point? You were saying 'real ones' will be using pcgs, I noted I will instead start using cacg instead of pcgs and that I am a 'real one', that is independent of any topic on NGCX and the 10 point grading scale versus the Sheldon scale that you specifically brought up and I responded to. Again, not sure of your point.

    My online coin store - https://desertmoonnm.com/
  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

    I’m not allowed to voice my opinion?

    You bring me up every thread or “try” to call me out

    If I need help printing out a shipping label on eBay I’ll hit you up

    And if you really want to keep going post some of your best coins from your collection and I’ll post some of mine

    If you can’t do that keep my name out of your comments

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    Very true

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Chevyrose said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    These arguments are mad boring

    Real ones will keep using pcgs and the Sheldon scale

    Real ones - who? Be specific, I am a 'real one' and probably won't do as you say above if given the chance to have a better numeric system of grading, and certainly I am all in for CACG for a TPG for US coins as least.

    Best, SH

    And sorry to beat a dead horse here but the new cac slabs they’re using the Sheldon scale!

    So idk man maybe start a new thread about how you’re “all in” over at cac that could be fun

    So? What is your point? You were saying 'real ones' will be using pcgs, I noted I will instead start using cacg instead of pcgs and that I am a 'real one', that is independent of any topic on NGCX and the 10 point grading scale versus the Sheldon scale that you specifically brought up and I responded to. Again, not sure of your point.

    Guess you answered your own question real one

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    John Albanese is 63 years old
    PCGS has been around 35 years

    Remember the last time John albanese started a grading company what was it called again? It’s on the tip of my tongue oh yeah NGC. Yeah they love being in second place. I’m sure this time around it’s gonna be much different > @Chevyrose said:
    I think cac and pcgs will lead the industry

    Ngc in 3rd place

    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    NGC IS the leader in ancients and world coins. PCGS IS trying to catch up in those markets.

    Also John Albanese co-founded PCGS as well as NGC so not sure how your comment above is relevant:

    https://www.blanchardgold.com/about/rare-coin-experts/#

    "John Albanese: a Renowned Name in Numismatics

    When you are ready to invest in a numismatic rarity, a rare coin expert like John Albanese is the person you want handpicking your coins for you. This is precisely what you get when choosing Blanchard.

    John has more than 35 years of experience in numismatics, and he holds the unique distinction of creating both of America’s leading independent coin-grading services. He co-founded Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) before launching Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC), where he personally graded more than one million coins.

    Today, John Albanese is a world-renowned authority on coin grading and the rare coin market, and he is America’s leading professional numismatist."

    And yes John albanese is a master of his craft

    Possesses more knowledge on coins than 99% of this forum

    Never hating of him he’s the best

    Just made a joke and people get so serious

    Not a fan of ngc slabbed coins or their 10 point scale to make money off newbie collectors

    The idea of a 10 point scale is far from revolutionary

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Chevyrose said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

    I’m not allowed to voice my opinion?

    You bring me up every thread or “try” to call me out

    If I need help printing out a shipping label on eBay I’ll hit you up

    And if you really want to keep going post some of your best coins from your collection and I’ll post some of mine

    If you can’t do that keep my name out of your comments

    No. You're lashing out all over the place. Maybe you don't see it.

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Chevyrose said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

    I’m not allowed to voice my opinion?

    You bring me up every thread or “try” to call me out

    If I need help printing out a shipping label on eBay I’ll hit you up

    And if you really want to keep going post some of your best coins from your collection and I’ll post some of mine

    If you can’t do that keep my name out of your comments

    No. You're lashing out all over the place. Maybe you don't see it.

    You just aren’t used to your toes being stepped on
    You argue in circles
    Don’t let pride get involved this is an online coin forum
    Next time you wanna argue post your best coin
    Until then I won’t respond to you

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Chevyrose said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Chevyrose said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

    I’m not allowed to voice my opinion?

    You bring me up every thread or “try” to call me out

    If I need help printing out a shipping label on eBay I’ll hit you up

    And if you really want to keep going post some of your best coins from your collection and I’ll post some of mine

    If you can’t do that keep my name out of your comments

    No. You're lashing out all over the place. Maybe you don't see it.

    You just aren’t used to your toes being stepped on
    You argue in circles
    Don’t let pride get involved this is an online coin forum
    Next time you wanna argue post your best coin
    Until then I won’t respond to you

    Lol. Newbie. If you think I'm not used to getting my toes stepped on, you should read a few more threads.

    I'm not even the one you're lashing out at. You went after MasonG, SpaceHayDuke, NGC and that's just on this thread.

    But, do whatever you want. I'm not the forum police... and neither are you.

  • NicNic Posts: 3,382 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2022 12:16PM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

    Are you sure @Chevyrose is a he?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nic said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    And the 10 point scale only for 1982-present? Who even collects those coin?

    From a business perspective, a relevant question is how much money is made slabbing those coins.

    A lot. And the only reason you can make money slabbing the coins is because buy them. Ignore ChevyHearse, he's been lashing out at the forum ever since his 55/55 thread went downhill.

    Are you sure @Chevyrose is a he?

    No. I was just playing the odds.

  • JMoo100JMoo100 Posts: 112 ✭✭

    What’s next… the U.S. transition to the metric system!?!?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JMoo100 said:
    What’s next… the U.S. transition to the metric system!?!?

    Hopefully

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/stats

    I was too lazy to get exact totals. However, PCGS has slabbed about 23 million coins per coinfacts. Of those 23 million, more than 12 million of them are "modern".

    Note that "modern" is not strictly 1982 because PCGS doesn't break them down that way. So the 12 million "modern" to which I refer include Memorial cents, all Jefferson nickels, all Roosevelt dimes but I left out all "Washington quarters" to balance but included the State quarters and ATB etc. All Kennedy halves and all dollars from Ike onwards.

    More interesting, perhaps, if you look at the November to December totals. The overall number of coins increased by approximately 90,000 coins. Of the most recent 90,000 coins graded: 24,000 are bullion, 2,000 are modern commems, 3000 are Susan B and later dollars, 4800 are Kennedy halves, 12,000 are Washington quarters, 5500 are Jefferson Nickels, 5000 are Roosevelt Dimes and 4100 are Memorial Cents. That means "moderns" make up 2/3 (over 60,000) of newly graded coins.

    [Round numbers]

    Who said no one collects Moderns?

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Who said no one collects Moderns?

    Probably Yogi Berra.

  • Sheldon has started having some of the blanks filled in already with the + grades. But never did understand why so many gradations were skipped. Why 50 53 55 58, why not use the whole range of numbers.

    But anything is still better than good being poor, very fine being good, “almost” being anything, etc. whoever came up with the original system must have needed glasses and had a poor understanding of the English language.

    Does anyone know what system the new CAC will be using?

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too much fragmentation and division in the world as it is. I remember all the over-educated arguments on switching to metric 50 years ago and that system did not fly in the US and many other countries. If it's not broken don't fix it. We're coming out of a stressful and divisive pandemic, the economy is in recession, time to take stock of current social conditions and enjoy what we already have instead of grasping for more.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    I remember all the over-educated arguments on switching to metric 50 years ago and that system did not fly in the US and many other countries.

    More recently, however...

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @logger7 said:
    I remember all the over-educated arguments on switching to metric 50 years ago and that system did not fly in the US and many other countries.

    More recently, however...

    Who doesn't want to be more like Myanmar?

    Feels like 100 people have brought up the metric system. If NGCX is the metric system, we have a winner.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    Too much fragmentation and division in the world as it is. I remember all the over-educated arguments on switching to metric 50 years ago and that system did not fly in the US and many other countries. If it's not broken don't fix it. We're coming out of a stressful and divisive pandemic, the economy is in recession, time to take stock of current social conditions and enjoy what we already have instead of grasping for more.

    I fail to see what any of that has to do with adopting a grading system that every other collectible already uses. There doesn't need to be any divisiveness. It's the pro-Sheldon people that are seeding it. I'm perfectly happy to have both. Since i also sell stamps, comics and toys, I already use the 10 or 100 point scales.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    There doesn't need to be any divisiveness. It's the pro-Sheldon people that are seeding it.

    Perhaps they're afraid they won't be able to adjust to a different system?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    There doesn't need to be any divisiveness. It's the pro-Sheldon people that are seeding it.

    Perhaps they're afraid they won't be able to adjust to a different system?

    Everyone hates change. But you don't have to slab anything much less reslab anything.

    I think I'm going to stay selling stickers. If you hate the 10 scale, you just slap a 70 sticker on the slab. Easy peasy.

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :D I start thinking of this 100 point scale then remember the American beauty of using miles, gallons, quarts, and.........

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Everyone hates change. But you don't have to slab anything much less reslab anything.

    That's not what I'm told. ;)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    :D I start thinking of this 100 point scale then remember the American beauty of using miles, gallons, quarts, and.........

    I start thinking of this 100 point scale and I see the absolute grandeur of kilograms, grams and micrograms.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Everyone hates change. But you don't have to slab anything much less reslab anything.

    That's not what I'm told. ;)

    By the same people who spend more on the slab than the coin because it needs to go on their registry set. They want the gods to save them from themselves.

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Custerlost said:
    Sheldon has started having some of the blanks filled in already with the + grades. But never did understand why so many gradations were skipped. Why 50 53 55 58, why not use the whole range of numbers.

    But anything is still better than good being poor, very fine being good, “almost” being anything, etc. whoever came up with the original system must have needed glasses and had a poor understanding of the English language.

    Does anyone know what system the new CAC will be using?

    CAC will be sticking with the Sheldon scale when they open their doors in 2023. If the 10 NGCX takes off, and that is an if, then who knows where numi grading will be in say a decade? Who knows if CACG will be around then as well? These things need to play out.................

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Edsel imo.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @logger7 said:
    Too much fragmentation and division in the world as it is. I remember all the over-educated arguments on switching to metric 50 years ago and that system did not fly in the US and many other countries. If it's not broken don't fix it. We're coming out of a stressful and divisive pandemic, the economy is in recession, time to take stock of current social conditions and enjoy what we already have instead of grasping for more.

    I fail to see what any of that has to do with adopting a grading system that every other collectible already uses. There doesn't need to be any divisiveness. It's the pro-Sheldon people that are seeding it. I'm perfectly happy to have both. Since i also sell stamps, comics and toys, I already use the 10 or 100 point scales.

    It isn't helpful or needed. They already tried the Unc slabs which may be imprecise but filled a niche. People who are constantly looking to change what is already working should examine how inefficient and wasteful changeovers can be and have been.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @logger7 said:
    Too much fragmentation and division in the world as it is. I remember all the over-educated arguments on switching to metric 50 years ago and that system did not fly in the US and many other countries. If it's not broken don't fix it. We're coming out of a stressful and divisive pandemic, the economy is in recession, time to take stock of current social conditions and enjoy what we already have instead of grasping for more.

    I fail to see what any of that has to do with adopting a grading system that every other collectible already uses. There doesn't need to be any divisiveness. It's the pro-Sheldon people that are seeding it. I'm perfectly happy to have both. Since i also sell stamps, comics and toys, I already use the 10 or 100 point scales.

    It isn't helpful or needed. They already tried the Unc slabs which may be imprecise but filled a niche. People who are constantly looking to change what is already working should examine how inefficient and wasteful changeovers can be and have been.

    It could be quite helpful. Nothing is needed, including the coins themselves.

    But people who are constantly resisting change should examine how useful and productive change could be.

    People HATED TPG's in the first place. I still know people who refuse to use them. And they don't have to, if they don't want to. And you don't have to EVER buy a coin in a 10 holder. If you do, go ahead and crack it out.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    It isn't helpful or needed.

    Maybe not for you but if you don't like the service, you don't have to use it. Do you suppose it's possible others might have a different opinion? What's the problem with having choices?

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    It isn't helpful or needed. They already tried the Unc slabs which may be imprecise but filled a niche. People who are constantly looking to change what is already working should examine how inefficient and wasteful changeovers can be and have been.

    There has not been a change in the grading of numismatic coins in 70 years so I am not sure about your statement 'constantly looking for change'. Instead we've used an archaic numeric system of grading for large cents from a different era (with a few modifications over time such as +, star, fb, etc.) that has constantly held numismatics back in the bigger world of collectables. This is not going to be inefficient and wasteful if it takes hold, because the current backward thinking system is just that. So a change after 70 years might actually be a positive for numismatics and if it is adapted across the larger US and World coin market, I am sure it will be after transition.

    This change will happen because it is better. It may not be now, but it will bc it is a necessary solution to a better numeric grading system.

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  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    It won’t be a better system mark my words
    The Sheldon scale is not hard to understand
    I don’t want coins to be compared to basketball cards, Pokémon cards, comics ect.
    The current Sheldon scale does not need to be replaced to get more people collecting coins
    I think the coin market is doing pretty good

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    Ask yourself what a 10 point scale is really gonna do for anyone
    Then ask the same question to yourself again
    Then look up the definition of a gimmick

    People on here acting like they’re emerging from Plato’s cave and seeing NGC‘s 10 point scale

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And other people on here acting like little girls who've seen a spider.

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    Good comeback mason, your blandness rivals stale crackers

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You might want to hang onto those. They'll go good with your cheese and whine.

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:
    You might want to hang onto those. They'll go good with your cheese and whine.

    Do you have a copy of Walter Breens encyclopedia of US and colonial coins?

    Yeah I didn’t think you did

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Chevyrose said:
    Do you have a copy of Walter Breens encyclopedia of US and colonial coins?

    Yeah I didn’t think you did

    I'm sure you think you were proving a point. Well done!

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2022 1:04PM

    @Chevyrose said:
    It won’t be a better system mark my words
    The Sheldon scale is not hard to understand
    I don’t want coins to be compared to basketball cards, Pokémon cards, comics ect.
    The current Sheldon scale does not need to be replaced to get more people collecting coins
    I think the coin market is doing pretty good

    The parent company of PCGS - Collectors Universe, for whom you said that 'real ones' will buy their product and not other TPG's, would disagree with you about coins being related to Pokémon etc. (not ect.) bc they grade them all. Pokémon rules at the Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA), the sibling company to PCGS. Marketing is what it is but imagine if good ole pokies were graded on the Sheldon scale. How far would that go LOL.

    PSA has all of the same things they do for PCGS - price guides, population reports, there is a great market in collectables that coins need to be part of by going to a base 10 grading system.

    My online coin store - https://desertmoonnm.com/
  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    Do you have a copy of Walter Breens encyclopedia of US and colonial coins?

    Yeah I didn’t think you did

    I'm sure you think you were proving a point. Well done!

    Wrong one
    Making memes on you computer of baby’s crying kinda ironic
    Take some lsd

  • ChevyroseChevyrose Posts: 225 ✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    It won’t be a better system mark my words
    The Sheldon scale is not hard to understand
    I don’t want coins to be compared to basketball cards, Pokémon cards, comics ect.
    The current Sheldon scale does not need to be replaced to get more people collecting coins
    I think the coin market is doing pretty good

    The parent company of PCGS - Collectors Universe, for whom you said that 'real ones' will buy their product and not other TPG's, would disagree with you about coins being related to Pokémon etc. (not ect.) bc they grade them all. Pokémon rules at the Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA), the sibling company to PCGS. Marketing is what it is but imagine if good ole pokies were graded on the Sheldon scale. How far would that go LOL.

    PSA has all of the same things they do for PCGS - price guides, population reports, there is a great market in collectables that coins need to be part of by going to a base 10 grading system.

    Oh god when the Pokémon cards come out that’s when I go peace guys hope the 10 point scale works for you and you make tons and tons of money

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Chevyrose said:

    @MasonG said:
    You might want to hang onto those. They'll go good with your cheese and whine.

    Do you have a copy of Walter Breens encyclopedia of US and colonial coins?

    Yeah I didn’t think you did

    What does whether someone has a copy of Breen’s encyclopedia have to do with this thread?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Chevyrose said:

    @MasonG said:
    You might want to hang onto those. They'll go good with your cheese and whine.

    Do you have a copy of Walter Breens encyclopedia of US and colonial coins?

    Yeah I didn’t think you did

    What does whether someone has a copy of Breen’s encyclopedia have to do with this thread?

    This guy is absolutely a troll and nothing more.

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Chevyrose said:

    @MasonG said:

    @Chevyrose said:
    Do you have a copy of Walter Breens encyclopedia of US and colonial coins?

    Yeah I didn’t think you did

    I'm sure you think you were proving a point. Well done!

    Wrong one
    Making memes on you computer of baby’s crying kinda ironic
    Take some lsd

    Also not sure how the lsd argument comes into play again. I’ve taken plenty of lsd in my high school years but I’m curious how you think it would affect @MasonG ‘s Perspective on collectibles grading.

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