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Please Confirm Attribution of this 1800 Large Cent

EddiEddi Posts: 455 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 15, 2022 10:40AM in U.S. Coin Forum

For the most part, I find attribution of most early dates of large cents relatively uncomplicated (with help of the Breen Encyclopedia), with two exceptions: 1800 and 1798. These are dates with many varieties, and sometimes very small differences among the die pairings.

I would like to ask EAC members for opinions on the attribution of the 1800 cent. Of course, I have already attributed it, but would like to hear additional opinions from EAC collectors for confirmation, or not.

Looking forward to your replies.

Eduard


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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks like 205 & 206 share an obverse, there may be an earlier die state w/o the break(s)/clash(es) and based on the clashing at OF on rev, is the 205.

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    EddiEddi Posts: 455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you very much for your comment.

    I also have it as S-205, based primarily on the vertical position of the stem on the berry below C(E). On S-206, this berry has a slanted stem. I wasn't sure about the clashing at OF on the reverse.

    Such tiny differences!

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a very nice example of an 1800!

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have it as a 206. This coin's T in Cent's right foot covers the leaf and with the 205 it is under the leaf. Looked at several on Coinfacts and NGC and other than a couple I couldn't make out due to wear I feel this to be correct. JMO
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    I have it as a 206. This coin's T in Cent's right foot covers the leaf and with the 205 it is under the leaf. Looked at several on Coinfacts and NGC and other than a couple I couldn't make out due to wear I feel this to be correct. JMO
    Jim



    while that is a good point, the 205 seems to be consistently weakly struck for the reverse for 1/4 to 1/3 of the design from k6 to k11 or so, even affecting the central devices, so i'd lean towards that anomaly of the right foot of the T and the leaf to this.

    certainly the 206 can be clashed similarly to the 205 but it looks like one of the reliable quick diagnostics is the clashing. imo

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    EddiEddi Posts: 455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2022 1:05AM

    Thank you, both, very much for your thoughts and comments. I truly appreciate them.

    Here is a side by side comparison of the reverse of S-205 (reverse T) to the reverse of S-206 (reverse U).
    (Breen describes the differences between these two reverses in P. 206 of the Encyclopedia)

    I summarize them here.

    Reverse U (used in S-206) compared to Reverse T (used in S-205):

    1) ME and F are normal, not irregularly shaped or recut
    2) the berry below C(E) has a heavy stem slanting down to the right
    3) the stem of the berry above O(N) aims at the space between F A. On reverse T, this stem aims between AM.
    4) outer berry below R has a small spine.

    These are mostly very small differences. However, they are evident when you compare reverse T and U side-by-side.
    (The photo on the right, from the Heritage Archives, show the reverse of an S-206 in AU55 sold 2/15/2008).

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eddi said:



    nice work and thanks.

    those 3 berries from ON to CE look like good diagnostic points, especially for lower grades.

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