Bogaerts has officially opted out of his contract

tommyrusty7

What happens now?

Goldenage

Show him the money 💰 💴!

tommyrusty7

That is what he is waiting for. Now we shall see what the rest of baseball thinks he is worth!

craig44

He hopes he is going to get paid. seems that this could be a risky economic time to try to break the bank though. Diesel prices up here in the NE are at $5.90 gal right now.

The commercial is wrong. Everything does not run on Dunkin', it runs on Diesel. hard times are coming

MCMLVTopps

No surprise here, I've been expecting this for months. Why play for $20m when your skills will more than likely command $30m or more per season.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/xander-bogaerts-opting-out-of-deal/

tommyrusty7

I agree with that entirely.
I understand both sides and hope the Sox will make the right decision,
They put the soccer team on the market so maybe they are trying to raise capital.

MCMLVTopps

@tommyrusty7 said:

They put the soccer team on the market so maybe they are trying to raise capital.

Or maybe John Henry has to pony up some coin to payoff the foolish contracts of yesteryear.

tommyrusty7

That could be too, only he knows.

daltex

@tommyrusty7 said:
What happens now?

Qualifying offer.

MCMLVTopps

@daltex said:

@tommyrusty7 said:
What happens now?

Qualifying offer.

At first glance I thought your post was off point, however, I couldn't have been more wrong. The link will clearly state just what a qualifying offer is. Interesting stuff. As I read through the narrative, Bogaerts has 10 days to accept or decline the QA. I have a gut feeling that Bogearts has played his last game in a Red Sox uniform. With Chaim Bloom having offered a one year extension at $20m, it was almost an insult to Bogaerts, as he will easily command a $30m/season long term contract.

Meanwhile, Bogaerts and his wife will try to endure this dilemma while chilling at their home in Aruba.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/qualifying-offer

craig44

I agree with Qualifying offer. at least we would get a draft pick out of it

craig44

Hey, maybe Chaim will let Bogey go and go after Aaron Judge instead.

can you imagine how many bombs he would launch over the Green Monster!!

tommyrusty7

Sure would be interesting to see him in Fenway.
I would prefer him to Bogaerts any day !

Alfonz24

I would love to see Pablo Judge go to Boston.

daltex

So apparently the move to replace Bogaerts has begun with Joely Rodriguez and (checks notes) Hoy Park.

I stand by my statement that how they handled Betts was correct. If they're not going to make a serious effort to either contend or to resign Betts/Bogaerts/Devers, they should trade them and see what they can get for them. I'm not excited by Verdugo, Downs, Wong et al., but much more excited than I'd be by a draft pick between the fourth and fifth rounds.

tommyrusty7

I don't see where Bloom has made any drastic moves that will make the Red Sox a much better team next year like he promised to do !

MCMLVTopps

I have never particularly liked Bloom, I think he's over his skis. I will say there is much we don't know, with tax implications, committed monies to yesteryear's bad contracts, and players now wanting to have half the state of Montana to play a kid's game 6 months a year. If you're a star pitcher, you're even much better positioned in the cat bird's seat, such a deal pitching in a 5 man rotation, and only 6 innings per game with maybe 30 starts per season...such a life! Of course the fans always get the short end, with ticket prices and everything else associated with going to a game always going up. If you were a MLB player getting $20m per season, you'd be getting paid $123.5k per game. Somehow that just seems outrageous, but, then again, I do admit, if I were in their shoes, I'd go for the barrel of gold just like them. I'd have a very serious Corvette collection.

I have already opted out of my Prime baseball programming for 2023, for me, it just isn't the game it once was. I have the MLB channel, so come April I'll occasionaly see a Fenway game or two.

Told you before Steve, a bit of irrational exuberance over Red Sox managerial expectations and team performance. Just go with the flow and don't get too cranked up over it all...try to enjoy Albuquerque as much as you can. If you can get the wife out, maybe a day drive to Chaco Canyon or something similar before the white stuff gets going.

tommyrusty7

I will watch the games this year and hope they are at least competitive, My wife can't make it past the bathroom long enough to take a car ride I'm afraid . We used to go to the casino once in a while with her in a wheelchair but she can't even do that anymore. Its tough to get old mu friend ! We had our good times when we were able to so we have no complaints.

MCMLVTopps

Sorry it's gotten to that point. Like you said, good memories of good times.

I do hope the Red Sox turn it around, but I just don't see it happening. I think they'll be non-competitive for at least a couple of years. Cora needs to go, he's too much of a marshmallow and I've seen him make too many poor or late decisions. I guess time will tell.

tommyrusty7

They still have an opportunity to save the season next year but they sure do need to spend a lot of money to do so and I am not sure how much money Mr Henry is prepared to spend. As you say we don't know what his prior commitments to other players long since departed is.
Should Sox go after Judge?

BaltimoreYankee

@tommyrusty7 said:

Should Sox go after Judge?

Nah!

craig44

@MCMLVTopps said:
I have never particularly liked Bloom, I think he's over his skis. I will say there is much we don't know, with tax implications, committed monies to yesteryear's bad contracts, and players now wanting to have half the state of Montana to play a kid's game 6 months a year. If you're a star pitcher, you're even much better positioned in the cat bird's seat, such a deal pitching in a 5 man rotation, and only 6 innings per game with maybe 30 starts per season...such a life! Of course the fans always get the short end, with ticket prices and everything else associated with going to a game always going up. If you were a MLB player getting $20m per season, you'd be getting paid $123.5k per game. Somehow that just seems outrageous, but, then again, I do admit, if I were in their shoes, I'd go for the barrel of gold just like them. I'd have a very serious Corvette collection.

I have already opted out of my Prime baseball programming for 2023, for me, it just isn't the game it once was. I have the MLB channel, so come April I'll occasionaly see a Fenway game or two.

Told you before Steve, a bit of irrational exuberance over Red Sox managerial expectations and team performance. Just go with the flow and don't get too cranked up over it all...try to enjoy Albuquerque as much as you can. If you can get the wife out, maybe a day drive to Chaco Canyon or something similar before the white stuff gets going.

While MLB players (or any athlete in the american big 4 professional sports) are not working in the salt mines, it is an oversimplification by simply stating how much they get per game for their salaries. It is not like it was in the 1960's and earlier where pro athletes got jobs during the off season. Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all?

they are being paid the way they do because they possess a skill that only about 600 people in the world possess. and only about 50 or so out of those 600 can be considered stars/superstars. There are very very few people, world wide, who could replace trout, judge or ohtani. in fact, probably their skill couldnt be replaced regardless of cost.

people get all bent out of shape about pro athletes salaries. They deserve every penny of it. they possess a VERY rare skill set.

The same reason brain surgeons make 7 figures. very very few people chasing too many positions.

tommyrusty7

I get all that but will Mr Henry put up the kind of money it would take tp woo him away from the Giants and Yankees?

Alfonz24

@tommyrusty7 said:
I get all that but will Mr Henry put up the kind of money it would take tp woo him away from the Giants and Yankees?

It would be sticking it in the Yankees eye. But that may end up like when the Yankees sign Damon away from the BoSox.

countdouglas

Yep. No one on earth has mastered the art of taking a called third strike quite like ol' Trouty.

MCMLVTopps

@craig44 said:

While MLB players (or any athlete in the american big 4 professional sports) are not working in the salt mines, it is an oversimplification by simply stating how much they get per game for their salaries. It is not like it was in the 1960's and earlier where pro athletes got jobs during the off season. Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all?

they are being paid the way they do because they possess a skill that only about 600 people in the world possess. and only about 50 or so out of those 600 can be considered stars/superstars. There are very very few people, world wide, who could replace trout, judge or ohtani. in fact, probably their skill couldnt be replaced regardless of cost.

people get all bent out of shape about pro athletes salaries. They deserve every penny of it. they possess a VERY rare skill set.

The same reason brain surgeons make 7 figures. very very few people chasing too many positions.

I couldn't disagree with you more! Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all? Who are you kidding? So what if they work out? Getting paid insane salaries IS part of the problem. A skill you say? Yup, some are better than others, but this is still a kid's game where you need to be good only about 33% of the time and you're a star. How do you know only 600 people in the world have this "skill"? Where is the skill set when they choke at the plate in key situations? They "PLAY" 6 months a year, that you think they work out 6 days a week year round is laughable.

That you would compare a brain surgeon making 7 figures to a baseball player is crazy. The skill set of a brain surgeon is not even in the same universe as the skill set of a baseball player. I say the brain surgeon isn't paid enough, especially if it was my brain he was cutting on. A brain surgeon to a baseball player...really?? Nobody I can possibly think of is chasing or in competition with a brain surgeon. True, there aren't many, but you gotta have a special gift to carve on somebody's brain.

Where do you think the majority of baseball players went when the season was over? My money is on luxurious vacations all over the world, or to some exotic location and not just for 2 or 3 weeks I would guess. If I had their money, I'd do the same thing.

Don't kid yourself, you really missed the mark on this one. They are indeed overpaid and oftentimes underperforming as many do. Wanna talk about Chris Sale, who has raped the coffers of John Henry, and can't even ride a bike? Why do you think he chose not to opt out of his insane contract with the Red Sox? Because his value has become seriously diminished and no other team would pay him for his SKILL SET which is pathetically woeful. You think he deserves "every penny"?
Pedroia? The fat slob at 3rd base, Sandoval? I could go on and on and on and on.

tommyrusty7

Pretty soon you will need to have subscriptions to many different sports packages just to watch your favorite teams play . We used to be able to just subscribe to the MLB package and get all the games you wanted but now you have to belong to 3 0r 4 to get them all and soon there will be more jumping into the mix. I only watch the Red Sox and refuse to get involved with anything but the MLB package currently and will miss some games because of it. I loved going to live games but the prices have closed that venue for many. I have not gone to a game since I left taxachusetts over 30 years ago.

craig44

@MCMLVTopps said:

@craig44 said:

While MLB players (or any athlete in the american big 4 professional sports) are not working in the salt mines, it is an oversimplification by simply stating how much they get per game for their salaries. It is not like it was in the 1960's and earlier where pro athletes got jobs during the off season. Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all?

they are being paid the way they do because they possess a skill that only about 600 people in the world possess. and only about 50 or so out of those 600 can be considered stars/superstars. There are very very few people, world wide, who could replace trout, judge or ohtani. in fact, probably their skill couldnt be replaced regardless of cost.

people get all bent out of shape about pro athletes salaries. They deserve every penny of it. they possess a VERY rare skill set.

The same reason brain surgeons make 7 figures. very very few people chasing too many positions.

I couldn't disagree with you more! Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all? Who are you kidding? So what if they work out? Getting paid insane salaries IS part of the problem. A skill you say? Yup, some are better than others, but this is still a kid's game where you need to be good only about 33% of the time and you're a star. How do you know only 600 people in the world have this "skill"? Where is the skill set when they choke at the plate in key situations? They "PLAY" 6 months a year, that you think they work out 6 days a week year round is laughable.

That you would compare a brain surgeon making 7 figures to a baseball player is crazy. The skill set of a brain surgeon is not even in the same universe as the skill set of a baseball player. I say the brain surgeon isn't paid enough, especially if it was my brain he was cutting on. A brain surgeon to a baseball player...really?? Nobody I can possibly think of is chasing or in competition with a brain surgeon. True, there aren't many, but you gotta have a special gift to carve on somebody's brain.

Where do you think the majority of baseball players went when the season was over? My money is on luxurious vacations all over the world, or to some exotic location and not just for 2 or 3 weeks I would guess. If I had their money, I'd do the same thing.

Don't kid yourself, you really missed the mark on this one. They are indeed overpaid and oftentimes underperforming as many do. Wanna talk about Chris Sale, who has raped the coffers of John Henry, and can't even ride a bike? Why do you think he chose not to opt out of his insane contract with the Red Sox? Because his value has become seriously diminished and no other team would pay him for his SKILL SET which is pathetically woeful. You think he deserves "every penny"?
Pedroia? The fat slob at 3rd base, Sandoval? I could go on and on and on and on.

@MCMLVTopps said:

@craig44 said:

While MLB players (or any athlete in the american big 4 professional sports) are not working in the salt mines, it is an oversimplification by simply stating how much they get per game for their salaries. It is not like it was in the 1960's and earlier where pro athletes got jobs during the off season. Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all?

they are being paid the way they do because they possess a skill that only about 600 people in the world possess. and only about 50 or so out of those 600 can be considered stars/superstars. There are very very few people, world wide, who could replace trout, judge or ohtani. in fact, probably their skill couldnt be replaced regardless of cost.

people get all bent out of shape about pro athletes salaries. They deserve every penny of it. they possess a VERY rare skill set.

The same reason brain surgeons make 7 figures. very very few people chasing too many positions.

I couldn't disagree with you more! Todays athletes are working out 6 days/week, year round. and undoubtedly putting in way more than 40 hours/week. they do go on vacations, but then again, dont we all? Who are you kidding? So what if they work out? Getting paid insane salaries IS part of the problem. A skill you say? Yup, some are better than others, but this is still a kid's game where you need to be good only about 33% of the time and you're a star. How do you know only 600 people in the world have this "skill"? Where is the skill set when they choke at the plate in key situations? They "PLAY" 6 months a year, that you think they work out 6 days a week year round is laughable.

That you would compare a brain surgeon making 7 figures to a baseball player is crazy. The skill set of a brain surgeon is not even in the same universe as the skill set of a baseball player. I say the brain surgeon isn't paid enough, especially if it was my brain he was cutting on. A brain surgeon to a baseball player...really?? Nobody I can possibly think of is chasing or in competition with a brain surgeon. True, there aren't many, but you gotta have a special gift to carve on somebody's brain.

Where do you think the majority of baseball players went when the season was over? My money is on luxurious vacations all over the world, or to some exotic location and not just for 2 or 3 weeks I would guess. If I had their money, I'd do the same thing.

Don't kid yourself, you really missed the mark on this one. They are indeed overpaid and oftentimes underperforming as many do. Wanna talk about Chris Sale, who has raped the coffers of John Henry, and can't even ride a bike? Why do you think he chose not to opt out of his insane contract with the Red Sox? Because his value has become seriously diminished and no other team would pay him for his SKILL SET which is pathetically woeful. You think he deserves "every penny"?
Pedroia? The fat slob at 3rd base, Sandoval? I could go on and on and on and on.

Oh boy. where to start.

I guess, first off, you seem to always mention that baseball is a kids game. I am not sure where that comes from. It is a sport played by kids, yes, but it is also played by highly skilled adults. I am not sure where you are finding the disclaimer that baseball is a "kids game" there are many many analogies I could use to illustrate. I will spare you.

I think you maybe dont have any idea what pro athletes have to do to stay competitive. it is a year-round job, regardless of what you may think. Pitchers may take a month off from throwing after the season, but they are not done working. come on man, its like you think they are going to planet fitness for 2 hours a day to work out. not the case. not even close.

then you are comparing the "skill" of a brain surgeon to that of a pro athlete. I was mistaken, there are less than 1000 people in the world who are skilled enough to play MLB. the number is MUCH smaller for those in NBA. there are approximately 50,000 people in the world skilled enough to be brain surgeons. So, yes, it takes more "skill" to be a pro baseball or basketball player. it is a MUCH more rare skill set. you are misplacing the word skill with importance. Is neurosurgeon a more IMPORTANT position than pro athlete? sure. but then again, so are firemen, teachers, heart surgeons, military personnel, research scientists... you get the point. there are many many jobs more "important" to society than pro athletes are. but the SKILL it takes to perform the job is MUCH more common. that is one of the reasons they are paid far far less. it is significantly easier to fill a vacant neurosurgeon position at a hospital (because there are 49,999 other neurosurgeons out there) than it is to replace a number-one starter on an MLB team. it is very very simple economics.
it is the very same reason actors, singers and models make such incredibly high salaries.

for the record, I think you are as far off the mark when you rail against the very high salaries of pro athletes as you do on my view.

Brick

Players make a hell of a lot of money. Owners make a hell of a lot of profit. That's kind of how it's supposed to work.

Alfonz24

Brick, you make too much sense.

tommyrusty7

And we foot the bill as they just raise their prices on everything to cover their costs.
I guess I should not complain as I live in New Mexico and would not get to see them at all from 2000 miles away.

daltex

I'm mystified. Pro sports are ENTERTAINMENT. Pro athletes are paid based on how much people will pay to watch them "play". This is less true in sports that have strong unions, as it is in any other field that has strong unions. In much the same way that teacher pay has seniority as a large criterion, sports do too. Some sports require management and labor to project how future audiences will value the entertainers for a longer period of time than others, but this is common to all jobs. If an employer thinks you'd be especially valuable, he might offer a long term contract to lock you up and, depending on your union, it will be easier or harder to break.

Do you really think Joe Kelly would have made ten times what Dylan Cease did last year without a union? I'm not saying that the White Sox didn't earn their $7 million investment from him last year (I have no way of knowing and I suspect they don't either) but I have to believe that Cease earned more for them.

And as far as players walking away from guaranteed contracts when they are unable to earn them anymore. I don't think anyone in any line of work would do that, at least not for just that reason.