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Mexico one you don't see every day just sold over at HA (Gold)

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,281 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can anyone here explain why something like this might have been produced, who would have paid the costs, and who might have received it? And for that matter, it is proper to call it a "proclamation medal"?

    Andy Lustig

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2022 9:35AM

    From Heritage Auctions:

    Mexico Puebla. Ferdinand VII gold "Cabildo Eclesiastico" Proclamation Medal 1808 MS61 NGC, Grove-F-122, Fonrobert-6961, Herrera-52, Medina-348. 35x42mm. 38.24gm. By F. Gordillo.

    A substantial find among collectors of proclamation issues, with silver examples coming to market once every few years, yet here struck in gold. Highly compelling visually and imbued with fully medallic qualities, from the depth of Ferdinand's bust to the unusual ovoid shape.

    By the way, the coin is cheaper:

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    Spanish America Ferdinand VII Eight Escudos "doubloon" 1808
    Gold, 36.5 mm, 27.00 gm, Mexico City Mint

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1082983/a-mickey-mouse-reason-for-buying-an-old-coin

    :)

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  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the way, the coin is cheaper:

    image
    Spanish America Ferdinand VII Eight Escudos "doubloon" 1808
    Gold, 36.5 mm, 27.00 gm, Mexico City Mint

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1082983/a-mickey-mouse-reason-for-buying-an-old-coin

    :)

    Agreed but still a cool piece of history. I did not bid not my type of collectible and also way out of my price range even if it had been.

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  • ELuisELuis Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found some info on this book:


    Sorry it is in Spanish.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2022 1:51PM

    I've got an AU62 example in silver. Probably a details grade because of someone trying to remove a museum ink marking.


  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2022 5:04PM

    @MrEureka said:
    Can anyone here explain why something like this might have been produced, who would have paid the costs, and who might have received it? And for that matter, it is proper to call it a "proclamation medal"?

    Shot in the dark....

    Produced as a gift or favor, paid for by Ferdinand / The Throne of Spain, to be given to members of the Catholic church / religious leaders, perhaps not a proclamation medal in the traditional sense / political use.

    Or with the 1808 invasion of Spain by Napoleon, who then placed his brother, Joseph Napoleon on the throne, was it produced to in some way denounce Joseph Napoleon and only recognize Ferdinand VII as the true monarch. .....Still a guess

    Total guess, Now @MrEureka please fill us in.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,281 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JohnnyCache said:

    Shot in the dark....

    Produced as a gift or favor, paid for by Ferdinand / The Throne of Spain, to be given to members of the Catholic church / religious leaders, perhaps not a proclamation medal in the traditional sense / political use.

    Or with the 1808 invasion of Spain by Napoleon, who then placed his brother, Joseph Napoleon on the throne, was it produced to in some way denounce Joseph Napoleon and only recognize Ferdinand VII as the true monarch. .....Still a guess

    Total guess, Now @MrEureka please fill us in.

    I don't know. That's why I asked.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • JohnnyCacheJohnnyCache Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JohnnyCache said:
    Oh well, I thought you had a little history lesson for us.

    Maybe the people over at HA that handle this section of world coins would have the answer. Maybe someone here can reach out to them and ask. If they don't know possible a company like Daniel Sedwick LLC would have the answer.

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KingOfMorganDollar said:

    Maybe the people over at HA that handle this section of world coins would have the answer. Maybe someone here can reach out to them and ask. If they don't know possible a company like Daniel Sedwick LLC would have the answer.

    You realize of course that most collectors know more than most dealers, especially the big, generic coin dealers.

  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    You realize of course that most collectors know more than most dealers, especially the big, generic coin dealers.

    Yes but in this particular case maybe not.

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KingOfMorganDollar said:

    Yes but in this particular case maybe not.

    I most likely am wrong maybe it will get solved here after all.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,281 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    You realize of course that most collectors know more than most dealers, especially the big, generic coin dealers.

    You realize that most of the biggest firms have some extraordinary numismatists on staff, right?

    And that even if a collector may know than most dealers about his own specialty, he is unlikely to have anything close to the range of knowledge than most good dealers have.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • TheGoonies1985TheGoonies1985 Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2022 6:52PM

    @MrEureka said:

    You realize that most of the biggest firms have some extraordinary numismatists on staff, right?

    And that even if a collector may know than most dealers about his own specialty, he is unlikely to have anything close to the range of knowledge than most good dealers have.

    That was my thought process but I also know people here are very advanced in their fields as well. I was just offering a option to a solution if ever one did not come about here. It was by no means a jab towards board members here.

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    You realize that most of the biggest firms have some extraordinary numismatists on staff, right?

    And that even if a collector may know than most dealers about his own specialty, he is unlikely to have anything close to the range of knowledge than most good dealers have.

    THAT' S SO TRUE ESPECIALLY ME ! ;)

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