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Hey all,

I am wondering if someone could look at a couple cards I want to submit, and try find any flaws? To me, they look great, but I am nearly blind. I know its hard to find everything, especially just through a camera phone picture, but if anyone could look at a couple cards, and try find anything that would hurt their grade, I would appreciate it.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Post some scans. Try to get the best quality you can and make sure you have a contrasting background.

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  • @JoeBanzai said:
    Post some scans. Try to get the best quality you can and make sure you have a contrasting background.

    Thanks! I took these with my phone. Let me know if you need something better,

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They look well centered. Can you post pictures showing top corners?

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  • agoramilioagoramilio Posts: 23
    edited October 31, 2022 5:59PM

    @JoeBanzai said:
    They look well centered. Can you post pictures showing top corners?


  • 19591959 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    great looking cards. With todays grading I'd guess 8 on Jackson and 9 on Bonds. Top to bottom centering and slight L/r on jackson. Never expect a 10.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would grade them both at the $15.00 level.

    Good luck!!!

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • @JoeBanzai said:
    I would grade them both at the $15.00 level.

    Good luck!!!

    $15 level?

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Must have 10 cards minimum. If you have a nice Ryan from 1986, send that in too.

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  • agoramilioagoramilio Posts: 23
    edited October 31, 2022 7:10PM

    @JoeBanzai said:
    Must have 10 cards minimum. If you have a nice Ryan from 1986, send that in too.

    I have the whole set of Tiffany and Tiffany Traded. All in similar condition

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn't know they were Tiffany. You can't grade them at the 15.00 special.

    Great cards, grade them!

    You can grade the Ryan, Henderson Ripken and Mattingly on the special, they all go for around $200.00 in PSA 9.

    SWEET!

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • Thanks! I have other cards I want to get graded, can I post them here, or can I email someone for help with that?

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Post away. Too bad you don't have a scanner, but show us what you have.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • So when I submit the cards, what should I put the value as for Bo and Barry? I've seen a few different numbers

  • On a side note, i have a scanner now but it's not acting very nice, so I'm still trying to get it set up. here is another card I'm thinking of having graded. Your thoughts please







  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @agoramilio said:
    So when I submit the cards, what should I put the value as for Bo and Barry? I've seen a few different numbers

    Don't stress on it too much. I usually take the PSA 8 value.> @agoramilio said:

    On a side note, i have a scanner now but it's not acting very nice, so I'm still trying to get it set up. here is another card I'm thinking of having graded. Your thoughts please







    Could use a scan of the front.

    $50.00 card in a 9. Costs $20 to grade and eBay and shipping will run another $10. Not much profit unless you hit a 10, if you get an 8, it's a money loser.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • On a side note, i have a scanner now but it's not acting very nice, so I'm still trying to get it set up. here is another card I'm thinking of having graded. Your thoughts please







    @JoeBanzai said:

    @agoramilio said:
    So when I submit the cards, what should I put the value as for Bo and Barry? I've seen a few different numbers

    Don't stress on it too much. I usually take the PSA 8 value.> @agoramilio said:

    On a side note, i have a scanner now but it's not acting very nice, so I'm still trying to get it set up. here is another card I'm thinking of having graded. Your thoughts please







    Could use a scan of the front.

    $50.00 card in a 9. Costs $20 to grade and eBay and shipping will run another $10. Not much profit unless you hit a 10, if you get an 8, it's a money loser.

    My bad. Here are pics of the front.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How sharp are the corners?

    Nice card, but if you're grading it to sell, a bit risky.

    Do you have the Chipper Jones from that set?

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • @JoeBanzai said:
    How sharp are the corners?

    Nice card, but if you're grading it to sell, a bit risky.

    Do you have the Chipper Jones from that set?

    The corners are sharp. I don't have the Chipper Jones yet, I haven't been able to find it for a price that would give me a good ROI. I do have the Griffey Jr coming, and I have a bunch more, including the Ripken record breakers and a bunch more I don't remember at the moment.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Buying to grade and sell?

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  • Ideally

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Get that scanner figured out my friend.😁

    Just before the grading fees jumped, I submitted the best 150 or so cards from about 12,000 1987 Topps from unopened vending, wax and rack.

    These were virtually ALL 10's. Any card with so much as a microscopic print dot was discarded. All cards were perfectly centered. (or well within PSA 10 guidelines), with superb corners and great focus.

    I got a lot of 10's. I got a LOT MORE 9's, most of them low pop commons, but also a couple of the nicest looking McGwire 9's you ever saw. Most of the 9's didn't sell.

    Not one centered Bonds in the entire 12,000 cards! I had great luck with Bo Jackson, several 10's that probably was the difference from making or losing money, and I got the cards cheap.

    I made money, but not too much.

    Since you seem to be dealing with some pretty high end sets, you should be able to sell 9's at a nice profit and maybe even break even on some 8's.

    I would stay with the top collected players, Schilling is borderline imo.

    Thankfully grading fees have gotten better.

    Good luck and have FUN!

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • Thank you so much for the wisdom! I do have one more question. The numbers on the psa price guide confuse me. Do they show dollar value, or something else?

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't look at price guides. I look at eBay sold listings.

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  • STLKabongSTLKabong Posts: 77 ✭✭✭

    You can also use this website for sales info across multiple platforms:
    https://130point.com/cards/

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @STLKabong said:
    You can also use this website for sales info across multiple platforms:
    https://130point.com/cards/

    Tried it, said "site cannot be reached".

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  • secretstashsecretstash Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭✭

    @STLKabong said:
    You can also use this website for sales info across multiple platforms:
    https://130point.com/cards/

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @STLKabong said:
    You can also use this website for sales info across multiple platforms:
    https://130point.com/cards/

    Tried it, said "site cannot be reached".

    Corrected link - https://130point.com/cards/

  • lots of good advice from JoeBonzai. . One thing I would add would be to start small . The first subs to PSA for most of us were usually learning experiences to say the least

  • @beachbumcollecting said:
    lots of good advice from JoeBonzai. . One thing I would add would be to start small . The first subs to PSA for most of us were usually learning experiences to say the least

    Yup. I already sent in a couple cards that brought me down to earth 🤣

    On a side note, look what came in the mail ❤️






  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great card, looks like minor problems on bottom corners, but a beautiful card in any case.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • I think its interesting that people tend to use ebay pricing to determine value. I know a card is only worth as much as it can be sold for, but I have noticed that ebay has severely affected value compared to Beckett value or PSA value. I am not sure if I am naive, or what, but it just seems like it doesnt matter what the experts think, its up to what John Doe wants to pay for it.

  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @agoramilio said:
    I think its interesting that people tend to use ebay pricing to determine value. I know a card is only worth as much as it can be sold for, but I have noticed that ebay has severely affected value compared to Beckett value or PSA value. I am not sure if I am naive, or what, but it just seems like it doesnt matter what the experts think, its up to what John Doe wants to pay for it.

    This is correct.

    Yaz Master Set
    #1 Gino Cappelletti master set
    #1 John Hannah master set

    Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox

  • on the upside though, i have both the other Griffey Jr and Chipper Jones coming :) sucks its gonna take 2 weeks though

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @agoramilio said:
    I think its interesting that people tend to use ebay pricing to determine value. I know a card is only worth as much as it can be sold for, but I have noticed that ebay has severely affected value compared to Beckett value or PSA value. I am not sure if I am naive, or what, but it just seems like it doesnt matter what the experts think, its up to what John Doe wants to pay for it.

    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

  • DBesse27DBesse27 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    You need to ask yourself, if Beckett’s values are wildly different than real life sales data, then what are they basing their prices on?

    Yaz Master Set
    #1 Gino Cappelletti master set
    #1 John Hannah master set

    Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox

  • @DBesse27 said:

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    You need to ask yourself, if Beckett’s values are wildly different than real life sales data, then what are they basing their prices on?

    that's what I am curious about

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    I've been buying for about 35 years. Selling a bit, but not consistently.

    At first I would buy the Beckett almost every month. When I would try to negotiate with a dealer, my card was always "wrong" and worth less than Beckett and the card I wanted was always also "wrong" only this time Beckett was "too low".

    Beckett is as close to worthless as can be for determining prices on a specific card. It's great if you know nothing about a card and it happens to be worth a significant amount more than a common.

    I don't trust eBay either unless there are several completed auctions to compare, but it's what I use.

    Beckett is NOT the answer.

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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I would grade them both at the $15.00 level.

    Good luck!!!

    Isn't the $15 special for 1996 and newer?

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jeffcbay said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I would grade them both at the $15.00 level.

    Good luck!!!

    Isn't the $15 special for 1996 and newer?

    I would grade them at the lowest level.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • @DBesse27 said:

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    You need to ask yourself, if Beckett’s values are wildly different than real life sales data, then what are they basing their prices on?

    that's what I am curious about> @JoeBanzai said:

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    I've been buying for about 35 years. Selling a bit, but not consistently.

    At first I would buy the Beckett almost every month. When I would try to negotiate with a dealer, my card was always "wrong" and worth less than Beckett and the card I wanted was always also "wrong" only this time Beckett was "too low".

    Beckett is as close to worthless as can be for determining prices on a specific card. It's great if you know nothing about a card and it happens to be worth a significant amount more than a common.

    I don't trust eBay either unless there are several completed auctions to compare, but it's what I use.

    Beckett is NOT the answer.

    I 100% agree about eBay. My problem is that, in theory, you could have a $10,000 card, but if a similar card sold for $50 on ebay, youre screwed. People will only pay what they think they should pay.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @agoramilio said:

    @DBesse27 said:

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    You need to ask yourself, if Beckett’s values are wildly different than real life sales data, then what are they basing their prices on?

    that's what I am curious about> @JoeBanzai said:

    @agoramilio said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    If you find a better way to determine the value of a particular card than eBay sold listings, please let me know.

    Beckett?

    I've been buying for about 35 years. Selling a bit, but not consistently.

    At first I would buy the Beckett almost every month. When I would try to negotiate with a dealer, my card was always "wrong" and worth less than Beckett and the card I wanted was always also "wrong" only this time Beckett was "too low".

    Beckett is as close to worthless as can be for determining prices on a specific card. It's great if you know nothing about a card and it happens to be worth a significant amount more than a common.

    I don't trust eBay either unless there are several completed auctions to compare, but it's what I use.

    Beckett is NOT the answer.

    I 100% agree about eBay. My problem is that, in theory, you could have a $10,000 card, but if a similar card sold for $50 on ebay, youre screwed. People will only pay what they think they should pay.

    $10,000.00 cards don't sell for $50.00 on eBay.

    I am referring to cards that have several sales. That way you KNOW what they are selling for.

    Go ahead and use a guide if that makes you feel safe. If you have a card that is potentially worth a lot, you would be best served by using every research tool at your disposal.

    Price guides are opinions, actual sales are actual sales.

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • Well i sent off the topps tiffany cards today. I'll report back in a couple months the results! Thanks again all for the help!

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck with your grades!

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • The 86 Topps are still off getting graded... but check out what I got over the weekend <3

  • Im a little bummed about the 6, but for the most part ill take it

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭✭✭

    #6 ? Barry Bonds
    The yellow , lets call it the yellow plates ink coverage, which is also used throughout the front of cards has faded .
    Just a guess 35 % of the process yellow scale 's density. Yellow ink fades fast anywhere if not protected.
    Another thing you should get to know is the flower design showing through a glass, loop..
    good luck.
    45 years a pressman.

  • I so love getting a card graded, only for it to become worthless

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