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Honus Wagner was in a movie called Spring Fever in 1909 and one of his co-stars was....

1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

...A boy named Moses Horowitz, whom Wagner was teaching the art of hitting to in the film.

Moses Horowitz would later become more well known as Moe Howard of The Three Stooges.

Moe's brother Shemp was also in the short film.

I don't believe footage exists of the film.

There were a few lobby cards that were auctioned a while back.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I read a while back that the vast majority of silent films have been lost, either due to film degradation or the big studio fire that happened years ago when many films were lost. Its a shame, would have loved to see it.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I read a while back that the vast majority of silent films have been lost, either due to film degradation or the big studio fire that happened years ago when many films were lost. Its a shame, would have loved to see it.

    Reminds me of one of the ironies of newspapers and microfilm. Many old newspapers were tossed out when they were microfilmed. The irony is that the microfilm has started to degrade while the newspapers from the older time periods remain strong.

    The American Newspapers from the Revolutionary War are in better shape than the microfilm from the 20th century.

    Here is one I owned previously from 1775 with reports on the Battle of Bunker Hill. You could hold it without fear of damage and the material was really strong and pliable, and will remain so unless stored in a nasty environment somewhere.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @craig44 said:
    I read a while back that the vast majority of silent films have been lost, either due to film degradation or the big studio fire that happened years ago when many films were lost. Its a shame, would have loved to see it.

    Reminds me of one of the ironies of newspapers and microfilm. Many old newspapers were tossed out when they were microfilmed. The irony is that the microfilm has started to degrade while the newspapers from the older time periods remain strong.

    The American Newspapers from the Revolutionary War are in better shape than the microfilm from the 20th century.

    Here is one I owned previously from 1775 with reports on the Battle of Bunker Hill. You could hold it without fear of damage and the material was really strong and pliable, and will remain so unless stored in a nasty environment somewhere.

    that is very interesting. is the paper quality different on the 18th century newspaper?

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2022 10:53AM

    @craig44 said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @craig44 said:
    I read a while back that the vast majority of silent films have been lost, either due to film degradation or the big studio fire that happened years ago when many films were lost. Its a shame, would have loved to see it.

    Reminds me of one of the ironies of newspapers and microfilm. Many old newspapers were tossed out when they were microfilmed. The irony is that the microfilm has started to degrade while the newspapers from the older time periods remain strong.

    The American Newspapers from the Revolutionary War are in better shape than the microfilm from the 20th century.

    Here is one I owned previously from 1775 with reports on the Battle of Bunker Hill. You could hold it without fear of damage and the material was really strong and pliable, and will remain so unless stored in a nasty environment somewhere.

    that is very interesting. is the paper quality different on the 18th century newspaper?

    Yes, it is made of a rag linen material and is thicker and less prone to deterioration. The difference is the modern papers are made of pulp and the pulp doesn't last quite as long(but with care those will still last long)

    Quick explanation from another site:
    "Before 1870, newspapers were printed on a heavy-duty paper made by pulping linen rags, often from clothes or ship sails. Thanks to the durability of rag linen paper and Johannes Gutenberg’s invention of the printing press, history’s most important events from the 15th through the 19th centuries are often well preserved in printed form."

    Many papers still used top quality paper after 1870 too.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i noticed something kinda fascinating while giving the close-up shot of that newspaper (which is spectacular, btw) a cursory glance. in many instances, an 's' is substituted with an 'f.' not always, but many, many times.

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2022 3:55PM

    1948- why did they have a penchant for using an f when an s was called for.
    I've read articles from that time period before and that always had me wondering.
    For instance in the article........

    "obliged the Provincials to retreat a little this fide of Charleftown Neck about funfet,
    when the enemy took poifeifion (????) of our entrenchment,
    after which they fet the town of Charleftown on fire"

    and they did not leave one building uncomfumed.

    Is that what they called the King's English or what?

  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    1948- why did they have a penchant for using an f when an s was called for.
    I've read articles from that time period before and that always had me wondering.
    For instance in the article........

    "obliged the Provincials to retreat a little this fide of Charleftown Neck about funfet,
    when the enemy took poifeifion (????) of our entrenchment,
    after which they fet the town of Charleftown on fire"

    and they did not leave one building uncomfumed.

    Is that what they called the King's English or what?

    That is how an "s" was written at the time.

    Steve

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    1948- why did they have a penchant for using an f when an s was called for.
    I've read articles from that time period before and that always had me wondering.
    For instance in the article........

    "obliged the Provincials to retreat a little this fide of Charleftown Neck about funfet,
    when the enemy took poifeifion (????) of our entrenchment,
    after which they fet the town of Charleftown on fire"

    and they did not leave one building uncomfumed.

    Is that what they called the King's English or what?

    When writing by hand it was a stylistic way of writing the s. When printing something they used the lower case f as a way to continue that stylistic writing in print.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    i noticed something kinda fascinating while giving the close-up shot of that newspaper (which is spectacular, btw) a cursory glance. in many instances, an 's' is substituted with an 'f.' not always, but many, many times.

    I don't remember the exact 'rules' for when they used it and not, but words that ended in s would have a normal s used. Words that started with a capital S had a standard S.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do want to point out that it isn't an f they are using in lieu of the s. If you look closely, the horizontal line on the f only is on the left side of the vertical stem so as to match the stylistic s.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 3, 2022 7:07PM

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @Darin said:
    1948- why did they have a penchant for using an f when an s was called for.
    I've read articles from that time period before and that always had me wondering.
    For instance in the article........

    "obliged the Provincials to retreat a little this fide of Charleftown Neck about funfet,
    when the enemy took poifeifion (????) of our entrenchment,
    after which they fet the town of Charleftown on fire"

    and they did not leave one building uncomfumed.

    Is that what they called the King's English or what?

    That is how an "s" was written at the time.

    Steve

    Nope. There are other words that they use an actual s.

    SD- sorry I guess you are correct, A stylistic "s".
    Its just weird that sometimes they used a regular s and sometimes the stylistic s.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    i noticed something kinda fascinating while giving the close-up shot of that newspaper (which is spectacular, btw) a cursory glance. in many instances, an 's' is substituted with an 'f.' not always, but many, many times.

    Galaxy, I didn't even realize you beat me to it. I hope we're not starting to think alike
    because I'm warning you it could be your downfall. :*
    Lot's of crazy stuff going on in my head like betting on the Rams tonight!

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @Darin said:
    1948- why did they have a penchant for using an f when an s was called for.
    I've read articles from that time period before and that always had me wondering.
    For instance in the article........

    "obliged the Provincials to retreat a little this fide of Charleftown Neck about funfet,
    when the enemy took poifeifion (????) of our entrenchment,
    after which they fet the town of Charleftown on fire"

    and they did not leave one building uncomfumed.

    Is that what they called the King's English or what?

    When writing by hand it was a stylistic way of writing the s. When printing something they used the lower case f as a way to continue that stylistic writing in print.

    1948- Thanks, that makes sense.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:

    Galaxy, I didn't even realize you beat me to it. I hope we're not starting to think alike
    because I'm warning you it could be your downfall. :*
    Lot's of crazy stuff going on in my head like betting on the Rams tonight!

    crazy stuff going on in your head, you say

    you mean like this ?

    you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    I do want to point out that it isn't an f they are using in lieu of the s. If you look closely, the horizontal line on the f only is on the left side of the vertical stem so as to match the stylistic s.

    I see what you mean. There is a sentence, "a furious and fudden attack", where they use a normal f in furious
    and the stylistic s in fudden that displays exactly what you said. Thanks for the lesson and to SDsports fan,
    that was interesting.

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