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Pcgs photo inspired modification study

1966 nickel.
1967 nickel.

1966 has the lowest hair point inside the lowest left border line.

1967 no longer houses the point inside the left lower line. And multiple 1967 pieces show a remaining doubling which would house the hair point if that original line remained.

We'll see...WHAT? What brought your attention...?

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  • giantsfan20giantsfan20 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭✭

    What is your obsession at looking at coins and dinosaur fossils and making some obscure point about them?

    What happened to your dinosaur posts did you run out of rocks to disect? :D

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most of the coins you posted were struck from worn dies. Notice the radial flow lines. The second to last one is from a polished die. The first and last coin look normal.

    There are no modifications on these coins, only die wear/polish

    Member of the ANA since 1982
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Oldhoopster said:
    Most of the coins you posted were struck from worn dies. Notice the radial flow lines. The second to last one is from a polished die. The first and last coin look normal.

    There are no modifications on these coins, only die wear/polish

    mostly true.

    there are some out there that have re-engraving to sharpen details in that general area. really a little bit higher and to the right of the depressed (abraded/worn) areas.

    some of these have been getting FS numbers over the past several years across a few different series under the auspices of re-engraved xxxxx (whatever part was). lincolns - lapel, jeffersons - pony tail? etc.

    glad to see something more effectively numismatically related from the op. :)

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2022 3:02PM

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @Oldhoopster said:
    Most of the coins you posted were struck from worn dies. Notice the radial flow lines. The second to last one is from a polished die. The first and last coin look normal.

    There are no modifications on these coins, only die wear/polish

    mostly true.

    there are some out there that have re-engraving to sharpen details in that general area. really a little bit higher and to the right of the depressed (abraded/worn) areas.

    some of these have been getting FS numbers over the past several years across a few different series under the auspices of re-engraved xxxxx (whatever part was). lincolns - lapel, jeffersons - pony tail? etc.

    glad to see something more effectively numismatically related from the op. :)

    100% true.

    "There are no modifications on these coins, only die wear/polish" = none of the coins posted in the OP have modifications.

    Wasn't referring to other coins

    Member of the ANA since 1982
  • kruegerkrueger Posts: 870 ✭✭✭

    Minutia, look for varieties where you don't need a microscope. Everyone will go yes yes. I see it without a loupe.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fascinating. You need to publish your results in the top numismatic publications that would be overjoyed to share your research with the whole wide world. Also correspondence with the ANA research department may be fruitful as well as the numismatic office in NYC. Keep us posted on their responses.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • RobertLahtiRobertLahti Posts: 328 ✭✭✭

    A radial raised line is not the flat surface that would remain that the radial raised lines tells you there's something there. If there was that line removed by die polishing, there would just be flat. The raised edge is not continuous. The raised edge die has not been touched on the 1967. In fact it seems to be modified and strengthened because of the width of flatness from the 1966 which no subject shows a raised ridge.

    So there's a wider width in 1966, but changed to a thinner beginning state of the thin raised ridge in 1967.
    The position of the hair did change based on that strengthened ridge.

    We'll see...WHAT? What brought your attention...?

  • RobertLahtiRobertLahti Posts: 328 ✭✭✭

    Was there a raised ridge meeting the point of the hair on the 1966 Jefferson Nickel? Well now there is on the 1967 Jefferson Nickel.

    We'll see...WHAT? What brought your attention...?

  • RobertLahtiRobertLahti Posts: 328 ✭✭✭

    The hair is pointing left in 1967, while it was pointed down in 1966.

    We'll see...WHAT? What brought your attention...?

  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 6, 2022 1:48PM

    @RobertLahti
    Interesting photo study and good catch. A few of those are just late die stage (what you see as doubling) and / or year to year changes. There is a variety on the 1967. Are pics from sms or business strike?

    Over the years there have been many enhanced and or re-engraved details in the Jefferson and Washington series, with a few on cents and halves too. Year to year changes are not as appreciated as much as same year die changes/varieties.

    The ribbon and hair details on Jefferson nickels have quite a few (40+) individual die varieties spread over the years 1938-1970. Many nickel die changes are covered in the Jefferson Nickel Analyst. http://www.varietyvista.com/04a JN DD Vol 1/Obverse Design Varieties.htm
    Many are visible to the naked eye and do not need magnification for recognition.

    It is an area I enjoy checking closely and have found a few unlisted varieties myself over the years. Whether or not more of them gain traction and CPG recognition is anyone’s guess. Only 1/4 or less have been recognized by CPG, many more on variety vista.
    I will continue to collect and enjoy these type of die varieties. Thank you for posting this and bringing the 1967 variety to my attention.

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