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Matte Proof Lincoln Appreciation Thread

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 30, 2022 7:55PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Seems like we had a lot of posts on MPLs a few years ago but I don't see them mentioned much now.

Just ran across this one again and thought it was a beautiful specimen!

The following are from @MarkJude who last logged in 2 years ago. Anyone know if he's ok?

@MarkJude said:
This is the coin that started it all for me...beautiful blues, purples and pinks splash all over this coin. What can I say, this is my favorite and has earned a spot in Brian Wagner's Hall of Fame!

Post any MPLs you like here!

Here's another from @MarkJude and Brian Wagner:

@MarkJude said:
This was my first Matte Proof and it came my way via Brian Wagner. The coin in hand has a brassy obverse with just a dash of color on the reverse. This coin "glows" in hand. Thanks go out to Brian and all he has done to enhance my set!

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for starting this thread - I can't wait to see the eye candy.... :smile::smile:

    Coin Photographer.

  • MartinMartin Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WaterSport Nice. Sorry to hear about Steve. Your right I remember him talking about his vdb proof. Glad you ended up with it

    Martin

  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice story on the 09 vdb. Glad to see you got it and show it.

    "May the silver waves that bear you heavenward be filled with love’s whisperings"

    "A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2022 2:57AM

    Very nice story and coins @WaterSport and @ldhair!

    @WaterSport said:
    I had told Steve on many occasions that the coin was worth its old grade ANACS had given – 63 R&B. I told him to crack it out and resubmit it. Well, it was my coin now. And I immediately cracked and resubmitted it and it came back 63 R&B. Sure – its not the most impressive eye appealing example. But Like Steve – I am darn proud to own it and know there are plenty of others who gladly own such a rare coin.

    Here's the old discussion on this coin:

    Although it's still fairly recent, it would be neat to write a history of the MPL collector history. A similar situation is the early days of toned coin collecting with the TCCS.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2022 4:47AM

    @skier07 said:
    I haven’t heard Brian Wagner’s name in a long time. Is he no longer part of the fraternity?

    Seems like he's still around since he has a PCGS dealer listing but he took his website down a while back. He's @BWRC on the forums and last logged in to the forums on May 11, 2022.

    @BWRC said:
    Took down my website a few years ago because I felt my inventory wasn't large enough to justify the site.

    I attend every major show and do a decent amount of yearly business. Handle lots of US small cents 1856-to date. Need a 1856 Flying Eagle? How about a high grade Matte Proof cent?

    Work want lists and buy nice coins at the shows I attend.

    Thanks MC for the kudo's.

    Brian

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's not forget Kevin Flynn. I am not sure those threads helped motivate him for writing his excellent book or it started way after he was well underway but I do believe many shared coins and info with him before the book was published. What was shocking also was that each week you could find only a few of the most common MPLs for sale. Now, you can buy any date in a single day and have a complete set by 5 PM.

    WS

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2022 4:22AM

    @WaterSport said:
    Let's not forget Kevin Flynn. I am not sure those threads helped motivate him for writing his excellent book or it started way after he was well underway but I do believe many shared coins and info with him before the book was published.

    Good to mention!

    Here's his book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Matte-Proofs-Kevin-Flynn/dp/B0058P0TLM

    What was shocking also was that each week you could find only a few of the most common MPLs for sale. Now, you can buy any date in a single day and have a complete set by 5 PM.

    What do you think the difference is? Number of collectors? Lack of hoarding?

    They are amazingly beautiful coins. I love looking at them. I just don't seem them posted much recently.

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think there was hoarding because the prices were escalating weekly. They fell after the 2009 crash and they have not reached those level since except for only the best of the best.

    WS

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2022 4:50AM

    @WaterSport said:
    I think there was hoarding because the prices were escalating weekly. They fell after the 2009 crash and they have not reached those level since except for only the best of the best.

    WS

    If they were in a bubble, it may be hard to reach those prices again with "normal" levels of interest. It's good to know the top coins are still strong.

    Is there a place where MPL collectors congregate and chat about MPLs?

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a place where MPL collectors congregate and chat about MPLs?<

    Not that I am aware of. In fact I think we even had to put the posse horses out to pasture since no one has called the posse out to inform any mis informed soul that the coin they thought was a MPL, was not one. It was a tough crowd in the old days.

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool. I saw my 1916 was in there. That is the only other one I have in Trueview.

    WS

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd love to own the 1909 VDB proof Cent one day. Its a special, stand alone type piece. Problem is, it would take too much money away from other things that I would collectively want more.

    Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
    "Coin collecting for outcasts..."

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2022 4:12AM

    I forgot about Carls book - excellent book to get down in the weeds on Die markers and pairs. Anyway you raise a good a question and I think Dennis (DCW) answered as to why the 1916 commands so much less than the 1909 VDB and thats because it could be collected more strongly as a type coin.

    Anyway - here is another picture for walking down memory lane - anyone here ever get called a Matte Head!! Few did but they deserved it because they were so into the MPLs'.

    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2022 10:03AM

    @hbarbee said:
    I specialize in Lincolns and the matte proof group are my favorites. I have the complete set, currently at #15 (Veronica) in the registry (trying to keep up with WaterSport!). I feel the 1916 has the best eye appeal of my group. Unfortunately, the 1909VDB is one of those cases where the TrueView is not representative. I have included my own image through the plastic which is more like how it appears in hand.

    I have noticed that for the year 1911, many of the examples have very subdued texture and coloration such as mine shown below even though it is a MS66. Also, for this certification number (25643506) it has an unusual format of TrueView that I am unfamiliar with. Does anyone know when they were produced?

    The Kevin Flynn and Carl Waltz books are certainly my primary references for this series.

    Flynn reports the production of the 1916 was only ½ that of the 1909VDB. I also assume that the 1909 VDB was probably saved more at the time. Yet the 1916 only commands about 1/6 of the retail value in comparable condition. Any thoughts on why?

    I’d love to have a 09-VDB like yours. I have a complete set minus the VDB.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2022 11:36PM

    @lusterlover said:
    A great gallery thus far! I joined the boards in 2008 as an MPL collector right around the time of the frenzy, so it was great. I appreciated and looked forward to Watersport's weekly posts - he did a great deal of work to put the lists together. I am proud to say I was and still am part of the posse. I have since completed the set. Here are a few of them:
    67RB CAC pop 1/0

    Congrats on finishing an amazing beautiful coins @lusterlover!

    By the way, I love the old generation TrueView!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2022 12:02AM

    @robec said:
    A good portion of my MPL’s came from Brian. I don’t know the pedigrees of all, but Pete Miller (ESM), Blay, Gobrecht’s Raisinet and B. Wagner are among them.
    ...

    Great collection @robec! Thanks for sharing them!

    This one looks very red from the photos!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NDcoin99 said:

    Very nice coins @NDcoin99! Thanks for posting your collection! Beautiful coins!

    I like blue tones and this one looks like it can fit with the others. It would be fun to find a full date set of blue toned MPLs!

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @robec said:
    A good portion of my MPL’s came from Brian. I don’t know the pedigrees of all, but Pete Miller (ESM), Blay, Gobrecht’s Raisinet and B. Wagner are among them.
    ...

    Great collection @robec! Thanks for sharing them!

    This one looks very red from the photos!

    This is a bit darker in hand, but like most MPL’s shines in the lights. It does have a RD appearance. There is some greenish toning on Abe’s face. Somehow the graders see it as an RB.

  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 780 ✭✭✭

    These MPL sure take on unique toning. Thanks all for sharing.

    Mark

    Mark
  • NDcoin99NDcoin99 Posts: 34 ✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @NDcoin99 said:

    Very nice coins @NDcoin99! Thanks for posting your collection! Beautiful coins!

    I like blue tones and this one looks like it can fit with the others. It would be fun to find a full date set of blue toned MPLs!

    Thanks! My blue toned 1916 is one of my favorites. It only graded 64BN- I really should have it regraded. My personal favorite is the green toning. I already have a 1915 rainbow toned 65RB MPL (I really wish I could take good pics), but when I saw the green 1915 I posted above I had to have it!

  • Dove73Dove73 Posts: 81 ✭✭

    "TRIGGER" lol, digging back out my "imsureitsamatteproof" I need to bite the bullet and send it in. Ugh, the rabbit hole is relentless.

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