This 1879-CC double eagle is in an XF details holder because of rim filing (“test mark”) on the reverse above the ‘T’ in states. Test marks were often cut into the rims of CC gold coins from the 1870’s as a way to ensure their authenticity and gold purity.
The major grading services will sometimes encapsulate coins with minor rim defects. What are the chances this would ever straight grade?
@SanctionII said:
One of these two coins did not grade due to QC. Guess which one.
My gut says the top one
Agree, why would you ask us to guess when it seems to be so obvious unless there was a catch
It's not that. I think the colors in the second photo look a bit strong (which isn't uncommon for the glamor look TrueViews go for), but overall, the colors on the top coin look a bit off. The red base of the coin is a bit pale, and the green and blue (particularly on the obverse) just have a slightly unnatural hue to them. You see greens and blues elsewhere, but not necessarily in those shades. That's not to say that I'd be all too surprised if the bottom coin were called AT, but if I'm being told just one is, I think I question the color on the top coin more, even though it's not as bold and impressive as that of the bottom coin.
I was so dang excited cherry picking this VLDS DDO # 1 for $14 (worth over $2000 and would have been nice upgrade) that I sent it off to PCGS as soon as I got it. Low and behold it comes back damaged because some #$%^&* decided to try and scrape a carbon spot off just out from Lincolns chin! Oh well, win some , lose some.
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Shoulder, just north of 5:00 -the mark is there, but it's slight. I created the "this is okay, but this isn't?" picture below way back when, but I've decided to just enjoy the coin as-is and not deal with any resubmittal frustration. The Washington quarter graded MS64.
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Shoulder, just north of 5:00 -the mark is there, but it's slight. I created the "this is okay, but this isn't?" picture below way back when, but I've decided to just enjoy the coin as-is and not deal with any resubmittal frustration. The Washington quarter graded MS64.
@Weiss said:
Bought her as a raw VF in 2016 for a few dollars over melt. Not mad.
As a raw VF!!! Nice score!
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@alefzero said:
1880 BB-182 graded XF Details but I found it superior to a straight-graded AU with a provenance.
I dont see any damage. Did you figure out what damage is?
Looks like it has been cleaned.
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@MWallace said:
I have yet to find the "wheel mark".
I should probably know this but did these Peace dollars come in machine wrapped rolls or bags?
I looked and then failed to report. That area does look like black rubber. Does anyone know if any of the counting wheels are made of black rubber or plastic?
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you have to resubmit, that is grade appropriate. Submit as a plain 76s and then get the variety designation later. That will end up in graded holder soon or a later
@TennesseeDave said:
This one came back Unc. Details Cleaned. I was kind of expecting a Unc. Details- Questionable color, I can't find any evidence of cleaning.
unfortunately, not all "cleanings" have PLS.
toned peace dollars are NOTORIOUS for cleaning and retoning, and i'm sure morgans are probably right up there as well. copper is another one that can get a bit hairy.
probably best to look for unnatural looking surfaces, which the rev seems to have that look. it isn't 100% but will usually get you in the ballpark and once you learn which coins/types have the tendency to get detailed for certain things, you know to be on the lookout for them.
i bought a monster toned ike at a show long ago and was so enamored with the color although the MAJOR PLS hiding under the toning didn't jump out at me at the show. got it home and felt it was closer to pocket change than a numismatic score. i paid i think $20 so that was a $22 loss if i add a little time and effort to the cost.
all that being said, i am VERY confident, at the least a few coins in this thread would straight-grade eventually either pcgs or ngc.
@ProfLiz said:
Was in an N64 holder. I thought it might go 65, but came back details - cleaned from PCGS. That'll teach me to play the crackout game!
Does it look cleaned to YOU? If not, you could try again but after a while it gets expensive and frustrating.
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This was in an old auction flip (I think it was Stacks maybe?) marked as MS-65. I did not take a close look at it before submitting but now can see the hairlines.
I normally do not buy anything punctured for suspension, but this token beyond the hole condition wise is probably in the top five and the second prettiest I've seen. It has great patina, on lustrous surfaces, with cool pull-away original red.
1837 E.F. Sise & Co., Portsmouth, NH, HT-195 / Low-132, Hard Times Token, 28mm Diameter, Copper, NGC UNC Details.
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PCGS Corrosion removed. VG details. Vary hard date to find.
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"Genuine - Filed Rim." PCGS was correct about that. Someone filed the rim a bit on the LHS at 8:00. Coins like this one are the reason I'm not a "PCGS and CAC only" collector. Adherents of that mantra in the Liberty Seated series typically end up with lower grade sets.
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1880 BB-182 graded XF Details but I found it superior to a straight-graded AU with a provenance.
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I suppose that is an honor. I am curious if they asked your permission before using the image of your coin???
Nice coin btw!
This 1879-CC double eagle is in an XF details holder because of rim filing (“test mark”) on the reverse above the ‘T’ in states. Test marks were often cut into the rims of CC gold coins from the 1870’s as a way to ensure their authenticity and gold purity.
The major grading services will sometimes encapsulate coins with minor rim defects. What are the chances this would ever straight grade?
It's not that. I think the colors in the second photo look a bit strong (which isn't uncommon for the glamor look TrueViews go for), but overall, the colors on the top coin look a bit off. The red base of the coin is a bit pale, and the green and blue (particularly on the obverse) just have a slightly unnatural hue to them. You see greens and blues elsewhere, but not necessarily in those shades. That's not to say that I'd be all too surprised if the bottom coin were called AT, but if I'm being told just one is, I think I question the color on the top coin more, even though it's not as bold and impressive as that of the bottom coin.
Let me guess why:
Damaged: missing leg?
peacockcoins
I was so dang excited cherry picking this VLDS DDO # 1 for $14 (worth over $2000 and would have been nice upgrade) that I sent it off to PCGS as soon as I got it. Low and behold it comes back damaged because some #$%^&* decided to try and scrape a carbon spot off just out from Lincolns chin! Oh well, win some , lose some.
WS
Shoulder, just north of 5:00 -the mark is there, but it's slight. I created the "this is okay, but this isn't?" picture below way back when, but I've decided to just enjoy the coin as-is and not deal with any resubmittal frustration. The Washington quarter graded MS64.
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
That's nuts!!!!
"Genuine Detail - Cleaned"
1920s FB
Really?
From a $1000 coin to a $50 coin.
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Bought her as a raw VF in 2016 for a few dollars over melt. Not mad.
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As a raw VF!!! Nice score!
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I dont see any damage. Did you figure out what damage is?
MIKE B.
Looks like it has been cleaned.
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Here's one I was surprised by, which came back genuine cleaned.
Jim
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I looked and then failed to report. That area does look like black rubber. Does anyone know if any of the counting wheels are made of black rubber or plastic?
Purchased..."Questionable Color" Cracked out and Resubmitted..."Cleaned".
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I know that this coin sat near the beach in a dresser for about 80 years before I got it graded, expected a low grade but not N1. It's a nice coin.
Sorry to hear that! I'm a big fan of Seated Dollars.
This one isn't mine, but is too nice not to share:
I've got two.
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I like the fact that this one was featured on the cover of Krause's Token Catalog by Rulau.
It was cracked out when I bought it.
Self slab by Zoid.
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you have to resubmit, that is grade appropriate. Submit as a plain 76s and then get the variety designation later. That will end up in graded holder soon or a later
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unfortunately, not all "cleanings" have PLS.
toned peace dollars are NOTORIOUS for cleaning and retoning, and i'm sure morgans are probably right up there as well. copper is another one that can get a bit hairy.
probably best to look for unnatural looking surfaces, which the rev seems to have that look. it isn't 100% but will usually get you in the ballpark and once you learn which coins/types have the tendency to get detailed for certain things, you know to be on the lookout for them.
i bought a monster toned ike at a show long ago and was so enamored with the color although the MAJOR PLS hiding under the toning didn't jump out at me at the show. got it home and felt it was closer to pocket change than a numismatic score. i paid i think $20 so that was a $22 loss if i add a little time and effort to the cost.
all that being said, i am VERY confident, at the least a few coins in this thread would straight-grade eventually either pcgs or ngc.
Was in an N64 holder. I thought it might go 65, but came back details - cleaned from PCGS. That'll teach me to play the crackout game!
Does it look cleaned to YOU? If not, you could try again but after a while it gets expensive and frustrating.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
This was in an old auction flip (I think it was Stacks maybe?) marked as MS-65. I did not take a close look at it before submitting but now can see the hairlines.
K
Here's my beautiful mistake:
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Was an ex PCGS MS65
Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
One of my more recent that I really like...
I normally do not buy anything punctured for suspension, but this token beyond the hole condition wise is probably in the top five and the second prettiest I've seen. It has great patina, on lustrous surfaces, with cool pull-away original red.
1837 E.F. Sise & Co., Portsmouth, NH, HT-195 / Low-132, Hard Times Token, 28mm Diameter, Copper, NGC UNC Details.
Wow, that looks nice. Will you resubmit?
People have asked me if my Morgan graded, but unfortunately it did not
I dunno if this is my absolute favorite that ever got a "details" grade (probably not), but I was disappointed when it got "UNC details/cleaned".
And my loss can be your gain. This is one of the prizes in my 21st anniversary giveaway.
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Yes, to NGC
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Damaged - I had an extra Collectors Club submission and tossed this in.
Pleasantly surprised with the UNC Detail!
Now we call this one Uncle Thebo
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It must have been a really WEAK strike . . . . .
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I knew it was cleaned when I bought it raw, but I liked the look and the price was right:
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
Cleaned, but another look I liked:
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
This quarter resides in a Genuine holder and belongs in this thread:
...while this quarter is PCGS VF20 with a CAC bean:
I paid more for the lower coin.
@rhedden, I’ll take coin #1, please!
What a glaring example….
PCGS Questionable Color... pretty coin though.
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I just got this photo back from PCGS this week. Cleaned - AU details.
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"Genuine - Filed Rim." PCGS was correct about that. Someone filed the rim a bit on the LHS at 8:00. Coins like this one are the reason I'm not a "PCGS and CAC only" collector. Adherents of that mantra in the Liberty Seated series typically end up with lower grade sets.