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1800 Large Cent will it straight grade?

jedmjedm Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 25, 2022 11:08AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Opinions welcome...I picked this up last Sunday at the first coin show I've been to in a couple years...Any experts out there to confirm that this is an S-191? Thanks in advance for your expertise and/or opinions.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i gave it a shot but it is pretty tough.

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bump for weekday crowd

  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I kinda doubt it would straight grade, I've seen better that didn't... The bump/dent on the reverse and a few distracting marks/dings might give it a details grade.
    I really like it though, I don't normally mind details coins and especially not when they're an overdate :)

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They seem a little more forgiving on the lower grade early cents, so it could squeak through. I appreciate it as it is.
    Calling @Aotearoa to help with the attribution!

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  • matt_dacmatt_dac Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it will straight grade. From the pictures I don't see massive pitting for example. Good luck.

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see no reason not to send it in. They are very forgiving on large cents IMHO.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    anyone for this part?

    Any experts out there to confirm that this is an S-191?

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Take a shot on it.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2022 2:20PM

    Thanks guys! I'm confident that it is the S-191 but was just hoping for a second opinion to confirm. I'm not planning to send it in as its value is under $200, but I'm just curious to know what y'all thought the chances were on it. In hand, the surfaces are hard and pretty smooth, so I think it'd have a halfway decent chance of getting a grade. Maybe G-4?

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 25, 2022 2:23PM

    It's definitely an overdate and it's definitely Style 1 hair so that means it is one of the following: S-190, S-191, NC.5 or NC.6. To my eye, the defining and identifiable features of the reverse - "nearly obliterated" fraction and, especially, the die crack passing through ICA - confirm S-191.

    I think it would straight grade. In fact, I would ask, why wouldn't it?

    Edited to add that I now see the no-straight grade rationale provided by @WilliamF

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa Thanks for the reply. I'm not as confident in my abilities to be positive on the Sheldon number and it's great to have the opinion of someone much more knowledgeable and confident than me. It's always nice to have that little tinge of buyer's remorse removed by the certainty you've provided.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's a couple of small patches of roughness but it think it would straight grade. Its certainly not terminal like some of the lower end pieces recently...

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  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa said:
    It's definitely an overdate and it's definitely Style 1 hair so that means it is one of the following: S-190, S-191, NC.5 or NC.6. To my eye, the defining and identifiable features of the reverse - "nearly obliterated" fraction and, especially, the die crack passing through ICA - confirm S-191.

    I think it would straight grade. In fact, I would ask, why wouldn't it?

    Edited to add that I now see the no-straight grade rationale provided by @WilliamF

    Looks like i'm in the minority here in thinking that it might not straight grade though...
    I have seen worse coppers that straight graded and also better (imo) that got a details grade, I'm not really sure what to make of grading standards sometimes lol

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  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These marks, dings are what I was considering when I said it might not straight grade, but the more I look at them, I think they're probably small enough that they wouldn't matter.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Should straight grade IMO.

    Dave

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,131 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The heavy 3 o'clock rim ding may prevent straight grade. This coin does appear to be an S191. Pretty straight forward even with missing diagnostics. This strike had several weakly struck areas and even depressions which accounts for some of the missing items. Good luck.
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  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WilliamF said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    It's definitely an overdate and it's definitely Style 1 hair so that means it is one of the following: S-190, S-191, NC.5 or NC.6. To my eye, the defining and identifiable features of the reverse - "nearly obliterated" fraction and, especially, the die crack passing through ICA - confirm S-191.

    I think it would straight grade. In fact, I would ask, why wouldn't it?

    Edited to add that I now see the no-straight grade rationale provided by @WilliamF

    Looks like i'm in the minority here in thinking that it might not straight grade though...
    I have seen worse coppers that straight graded and also better (imo) that got a details grade, I'm not really sure what to make of grading standards sometimes lol

    I agree completely with your last sentence.

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    It is S.191. The overdate with missing curl and injured reverse.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,675 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As you go down the grading scale they are less fussy on problems, but personally doubt it will straight grade, the EAC rules are quite demanding.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really appreciate all of the feedback I've received. A great reason to be a part of this forum is the easy access to many collectors with varying degrees of expertise and their willingness to share their experience and opinions.

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