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MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

BTW, did anyone here buy that O/C Morgan?
@FredWeinberg

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hi Mike – that was one of my favorite coins – I don’t know who bought it

    I should also note to anyone reading this thread that those phone numbers and address on that card
    Are no longer valid-I closed my office in early March of this year

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 21, 2022 12:48PM

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    i don't know if your taste of numismatics takes you down such roads but is that a crack on washie's head on the second strike? if so, that is kinda neat to me that the collar provides enough resistance that the metal can't move enough out AND upward thus prohibiting the metal from reaching the cracked die until the second collarless strike. same with the eagles feet/talon/arrows etc.

    it is amazing to view these errors and see how they in a lot of instances may be missing links to a myriad of subjects/mysteries and the flip side is true as well, in that the regular striking processes can/do unlock the mysteries of many an error!

    edited to add:

    the ability for the flan's metal to reach the die properly also seems to have a marked effect on the quality of surfaces. i would look at the first strike of this coin and thing, wow those dies are TOAST.

    2nd strike. wow a crack ms68 EDS die with BOOMING luster! oh the irony.

    perhaps that is george Sr. for the 1st strike and george Jr. on the second? ;)

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    .
    i don't know if your taste of numismatics takes you down such roads but is that a crack on washie's head on the second strike? if so, that is kinda neat to me that the collar provides enough resistance that the metal can't move enough out AND upward thus prohibiting the metal from reaching the cracked die until the second collarless strike. same with the eagles feet/talon/arrows etc.

    it is amazing to view these errors and see how they in a lot of instances may be missing links to a myriad of subjects/mysteries and the flip side is true as well, in that the regular striking processes can/do unlock the mysteries of many an error!

    edited to add:

    the ability for the flan's metal to reach the die properly also seems to have a marked effect on the quality of surfaces. i would look at the first strike of this coin and thing, wow those dies are TOAST.

    2nd strike. wow a crack ms68 EDS die with BOOMING luster! oh the irony.

    perhaps that is george Sr. for the 1st strike and george Jr. on the second? ;)

    Yes it is a die crack. It is barely visible on the first strike and much strong on the second strike.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    Yes it is a die crack. It is barely visible on the first strike and much strong on the second strike.

    .
    are those your or heritage's images?

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    Yes it is a die crack. It is barely visible on the first strike and much strong on the second strike.

    .
    are those your or heritage's images?

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 21, 2022 1:19PM

    I'm surprise PCGS doesn't put a date range of when that coin could of been struck. It's clad so 1965-1998. Guess no room on the holder?

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg if you still have any of these left one would make a great forum giveaway. ;)

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinJP said:

    I'm surprise PCGS doesn't put a date range of when that coin could of been struck. It's clad so 1965-1998. Guess no room on the holder?

    Actually didn't the 1990s quarters have stronger hair detail? So probably 1965-1980somethin?

  • NorCalJackNorCalJack Posts: 566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the die crack on the head and the die crack on the reverse by the "R" in America to the "C", couldn't someone match that up and come up with the date?

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NorCalJack said:
    With the die crack on the head and the die crack on the reverse by the "R" in America to the "C", couldn't someone match that up and come up with the date?

    Wow, very observant. I would think so. I however do not do that type of research. I went for the eye appeal and the label :)

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinJP said:

    I'm surprise PCGS doesn't put a date range of when that coin could of been struck. It's clad so 1965-1998. Guess no room on the holder?

    I’m surprised they straight-graded that one with the wheel mark on the reverse. They’re usually sticklers about those, especially on error coins. It’s a nice coin regardless.

  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭

    For the quarter, no later than 1984, due to the small mintmark. We can also eliminate 1976 and 1975.

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    Ed. S.

    (EJS)
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Parking lot crowd! I know these folks. They are always have a real rare error coin, worth millions! inevitably it is a cent that has been hammered on cement!!

  • CuKevinCuKevin Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭✭

    @GoldenEgg said:

    @coinJP said:

    I'm surprise PCGS doesn't put a date range of when that coin could of been struck. It's clad so 1965-1998. Guess no room on the holder?

    I’m surprised they straight-graded that one with the wheel mark on the reverse. They’re usually sticklers about those, especially on error coins. It’s a nice coin regardless.

    Wheelmark is an automatic no grade on any coin. I will assume you’re talking about the slight discoloration on the eagle’s breast? Not having the coin in hand, I suspect that isn’t a wheelmark as it’d be an obvious one to miss. Not saying they don’t get missed of course.

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  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CuKevin said:

    @GoldenEgg said:

    @coinJP said:

    I'm surprise PCGS doesn't put a date range of when that coin could of been struck. It's clad so 1965-1998. Guess no room on the holder?

    I’m surprised they straight-graded that one with the wheel mark on the reverse. They’re usually sticklers about those, especially on error coins. It’s a nice coin regardless.

    Wheelmark is an automatic no grade on any coin. I will assume you’re talking about the slight discoloration on the eagle’s breast? Not having the coin in hand, I suspect that isn’t a wheelmark as it’d be an obvious one to miss. Not saying they don’t get missed of course.

    Yes, not having it in hand is a limitation. However, it’s an isolated, discolored area with parallel hairlines. Considering that wheel marks are rather common on slightly out-of-round US error coins from the 1970s and 1980s, I think that a wheel mark is the most likely cause.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just put a loupe on it.

    There is no wheel mark, it is the lighting.

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I just put a loupe on it.

    There is no wheel mark, it is the lighting.

    I have several coins that are Detail graded because of "Wheel Marks". I'll be damned if I can find it.

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I just put a loupe on it.

    There is no wheel mark, it is the lighting.

    I will defer! Thanks for checking.

  • csanotescsanotes Posts: 469 ✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Hi Mike – that was one of my favorite coins – I don’t know who bought it

    I should also note to anyone reading this thread that those phone numbers and address on that card
    Are no longer valid-I closed my office in early March of this year

    Fred-your place in any numismatic Hall of Fame is basically guaranteed. I would ogle your website for hours and never pulled the trigger to buy an error. Alas, not all is lost as now there are some Fred Weinberg Collection slabs out and about. I had seen your listing in the dealer directory of a PCGS Population from 1989. Funny that all that changed in over 32 yrs was which suite you were in. That’s dedication! Enjoy your retirement and don’t get too tired from playing too much golf or chasing your grandkids.

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