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Grade this 1872 Victoria Penny

OmegaraptorOmegaraptor Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I purchased this 1872 Victoria Penny yesterday for $12, in a flip marked "VF", which it seems better than to me given it has original mint luster. However I am not overly familiar with grading these coins. My best guess is AU-something by American grading standards, but the missing detail on Britannia's clothes are throwing me off - I am guessing this is because of wear, but could it also be strike weakness given the amount of remaining mint luster?

Would appreciate any input on grade.

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  • BailathaclBailathacl Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭

    AU (American) seems very reasonable to me.

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  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 784 ✭✭✭

    Reverse strike seems really flat, but maybe standard for the date. If any experts out there, please let us know your opinion. I would say XF 45 per US grading standards.

  • sylsyl Posts: 947 ✭✭✭

    I'll repeat what I offering on CoinTalk. Too much wear for AU. XF-45

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,388 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30 by current standards. There is far too much wear evident to justify a higher grade. I wonder if the coin may have been cleaned at one time and then put back into circulation. That may account for what appear to be mint luster.

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  • bigmarty58bigmarty58 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    VF30 by current standards. There is far too much wear evident to justify a higher grade. I wonder if the coin may have been cleaned at one time and then put back into circulation. That may account for what appear to be mint luster.

    Yes, perhaps as high as VF35 BN, 2nd Portrait, 8,495,000 mintage. Value is around $12 to $14 dollars.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This coin is somewhat deceiving IMHO, as there is little actual wear as opposed to lesser strike. As an example, soft strike on Britannia accounts for most of the softness. Please look at rims - very nice indeed. Toning interesting but the residual lustre does not at all strike me as cleaned and then circulated as that simply is not what copper lustre after cleaning looks like on these coins.
    I rather like it and would go EF45 and perhaps 50 on direct inspection.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Die crack on the reverse... flat strike. I would rather see in hand to rule out a prior cleaning. From the image, it has some decent characteristics. I like it and would have paid the $12. Depending on the quality of the surfaces in hand, I think 45 is fair based solely on the image

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  • OmegaraptorOmegaraptor Posts: 540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for your input everyone. For the record, the luster cartwheels in hand. Reverse is only a weak cartwheel though.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the XF/AU camp as well.

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