1909SVDB (#2 Today) 'Counterfeit' (need help getting this one removed)

MarkW63

There must be slim pickings for better quality of these counterfeits, this one would even be a decent hole filler!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204004941951?hash=item2f7fa4607f:g:3tcAAOSwgPditI9q

rokky

I’ve seen many of your posts and I think it’s absolutely amazing the number of these that you’re finding. And this has probably been going on for many years. Mind-boggling. I didn’t realize it was so bad. I don’t have a 1909-S VDB yet, but if I do get one it will definitely be a certified example.

MarkW63

@rokky said:
I’ve seen many of your posts and I think it’s absolutely amazing the number of these that you’re finding. And this has probably been going on for many years. Mind-boggling. I didn’t realize it was so bad. I don’t have a 1909-S VDB yet, but if I do get one it will definitely be a certified example.

Even thought to be certified of these can be a problem, so its good to find them from a reputable source, counterfeit slabs & tags do exist among the highly sought after rare coins, or considered rare coins.
Later towards the end of this thread (coin listing removed) I'll post some example of them.

MarkW63

Well, the listing for this one is still active.
I've sent the seller a message stating that the coin is a known counterfeit and three images to support it showing the Details around the "N" in UNITED, the period following the "D" in the designer's initials isn't centered between the D & the B.
I'll up if I get a seller response!

LanceNewmanOCC

@MarkW63 said:
There must be slim pickings for better quality of these counterfeits, this one would even be a decent hole filler!

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if you get bored, you could expand into other denominations. the CCs are always classic dollars or other, 01-s 25c, 77 1c, 08-s 1c, 09-s 1c, 16-d 10c will never disappoint, draped/flowing 50c, $1 etc.

you could challenge yourself to find some barbers, whatever denom, random indians, maybe some capped bust. gold can be a little rough to do from poor images, especially w/o having a good book or two and/or a good selection from a personal database.

plenty on facebook marketplace, including in ads unfortunately. etsy could use a good counterfeit numismatic detector. i personally haven't done much with amazon but surely they are rife with them as well?

MarkW63

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@MarkW63 said:
There must be slim pickings for better quality of these counterfeits, this one would even be a decent hole filler!

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if you get bored, you could expand into other denominations. the CCs are always classic dollars or other, 01-s 25c, 77 1c, 08-s 1c, 09-s 1c, 16-d 10c will never disappoint, draped/flowing 50c, $1 etc.

you could challenge yourself to find some barbers, whatever denom, random indians, maybe some capped bust. gold can be a little rough to do from poor images, especially w/o having a good book or two and/or a good selection from a personal database.

plenty on facebook marketplace, including in ads unfortunately. etsy could use a good counterfeit numismatic detector. i personally haven't done much with amazon but surely they are rife with them as well?

No thank you! I'm not bored, I'm keep it in my Lincoln circle!
But it does seem like at times when I few days goes by and one of these don't turn up that its a calm before a storm
Speaking of this coin, I sent the seller a message with images well, I just got a reply back from them and they claim they bought the coin from an online dealer who assured them it was genuine.
I'll followup with there response and see if I can get them to end the listing and take this up with the CLAIMED dealer.

MarkW63

UPDATE on the coin in the OP!
Here is a reply I just got from the seller, it took a few back & forth message but if he follows through then it was worth it.
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New message from: buyfastsavebig
_I appreciate your help I am a newbie and I didn't realize that there were so many fakes out there. I have removed the listing thanks for your help. My credibility is everything to me I am a Marine or was. Integrity is all that matters in the end.
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LanceNewmanOCC

here is a non small S 1970. from one of the sellers posted recently. not sure which one matches to this coin.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195126505332?hash=item2d6e722f74:g:5J0AAOSwhfJio9Ny

https://www.ebay.com/usr/buyfastsavebig?_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2559

a lot of the listings are just a bad joke.

LanceNewmanOCC

oops. i see the coin(s) i listed is from the seller in this op. too many links again.

kind of a funny (sad, untrue?) response in light of seeing the rest of the listings. i would not equate those kinds of prices, misinformation and junk with someone trying to do a credible effort. perhaps i'm just a meanie?

MarkW63

Well, at lest he pulled the 09SVDB, maybe he won't ask me for more help with the rest of his coins
I thanked him for his service and being so reasonable.

MarkW63

@rokky said:
I’ve seen many of your posts and I think it’s absolutely amazing the number of these that you’re finding. And this has probably been going on for many years. Mind-boggling. I didn’t realize it was so bad. I don’t have a 1909-S VDB yet, but if I do get one it will definitely be a certified example.

Well, moving on.
The fakes of this coin is almost unimaginable when you add in the counterfeits from all around the world for almost a 100 years
then add to that the altered versions for the same period of time!
This coin is the King Of Lincoln's for several reasons, its the most counterfeited of ALL US coins.
So, certified & graded is the safest way to obtain a genuine one, but! then one needs to still consider the source because fakes in fake slabs, with fake tags do exist.
For example,

Now these are not Cents, but its more examples of fakes in fake slabs.

LanceNewmanOCC

@MarkW63 said:

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nice examples for teaching. even though they already have "grades" assigned, i'll assign my personal assessment of condition: