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"1793" How much could a broken "glass" lens cover affect the color & overall picture quality?

SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
edited June 21, 2022 8:38AM in U.S. Coin Forum

As we all know,,, the biggest thing I've been pushing is the "1793" which I said wasn't being represented correctly due to a broken glass camera lens cover.
Of course still fake just wanted to show how much the color was off.
Sorry my bad on the picture quality and color of all my pics,,I should've realized this before.
Thanks all
PS it is behind plastic I can update if need be just showing you the real color.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    fwiw, besides the lens, i can tell by the way you are imaging and post-processing, the lens is probably only part of the problem.

    you really need a bigger sample to share. something more commonly known. morgans, buffs, washingtons etc.

    are you seriously imaging through plastic? ie flip, 2x2 coin holder etc.

    are you in manual or automatic. i would recommend manual, if possible.

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  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2022 8:50AM

    Yeah cause I figured you'd all wouldn't want more so I raced in took pics and posted,,anyways so I just was showing the color difference.
    Yes it's behind a flip,,, it's on auto
    Thanks Lance you da man
    PS gotta run across town real fast then I'll do as you said :)

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 8:15PM

    ;)

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 4:10AM

    Ok I'll ask :) oh and good morning/day all
    What I mean,,, how is that reddish purple ish color showing up only in certain angles or what is it?
    Is it toning?
    Thanks all

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    when you shoot an angle like that, you will have depth of field issues. blur

    looks like 1 light source? perhaps too close? need to change aperture settings? perhaps use 2 lights tested in different heights and distances until a balance is found.

    no question about it, shoot manual mode. you'd think auto is best but not usually. look through your viewfinder or whatever you use to get focused and make slight adjustments until sharpness is attained.

    if possible, get this all set up in an out of the way spot and leave it there. the more times you have to tear down and/or move the setup, the more inconsistency and problems you will have.

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  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    Yes you're right :)
    I'm almost giving up on being a picture taker this coin is,, well all my coins color lighting issues galore aka work,, one of my desk lamps is to close the other being a ceiling light.
    You're right again I should fabricate something to make all this easier :)
    I'm new :) on these things resulting in lacking picture quality on coins.
    Aka color omgosh that was a huge one.
    Thanks again Lance

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Color looks very much like my counterfeit in-hand!

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    To me no it doesn't hence my push, I'm surprised with your answer like it's in your hand,,, I wanted it to be,,,I mean if you are who I think you might be :)

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SlickCoins said:

    yw.

    you look close on your images. a couple tweaks and you are set.

    you know your coin is counterfeit beyond question, right?

    i agree with burfle23, from your images, that one looks precisely like MANY other fakes i've seen, so images don't need to be better to know what it is.

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @SlickCoins said:

    yw.

    you look close on your images. a couple tweaks and you are set.

    you know your coin is counterfeit beyond question, right?

    i agree with burfle23, from your images, that one looks precisely like MANY other fakes i've seen, so images don't need to be better to know what it is.

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @SlickCoins said:

    yw.

    you look close on your images. a couple tweaks and you are set.

    you know your coin is counterfeit beyond question, right?

    i agree with burfle23, from your images, that one looks precisely like MANY other fakes i've seen, so images don't need to be better to know what it is.

    I have several of this "variety"...

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 6:16AM

    Post em for I can't find them please ,,, I'm so hoping to finish this with solid evidence, why create something that's not in our books? (Correction not in Rogers book) I mean could be only in Walter Breen's book. Also I'm hoping yours is same weight with the same marks and what appears to be Anti-counterfeit protection and a crumbled edge.
    PS I'm working on my glass issue now,,,I have a feeling even better pics incoming.
    Thanks

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 6:49AM

    @SlickCoins said:
    Post em for I can't find them please ,,, I'm so hoping to finish this with solid evidence, why create something that's not in our books? (Correction not in Rogers book) I mean could be only in Walter Breen's book. Also I'm hoping yours is same weight with the same marks and what appears to be Anti-counterfeit protection and a crumbled edge.
    PS I'm working on my glass issue now,,,I have a feeling even better pics incoming.
    Thanks

    .
    why am i getting the vibe you still think your coin is authentic? if i am wrong and you don't think that, i apologize. if not, let me say it loud and clear, to help you, "this coin is not only fake but so fake that it is fake through all this galaxy, the universe, the multiverse, the aether, for the past, present and future, to never be authenticated as a US Mint product, ever, in no way, no anti-way, upside down, right side up." in fact there is more of a chance of it having chocolate inside of it than it being an authorized US Mint product.

    did the other thread with like 10-20 pages of discussion not reveal that to you? i avoided it because what very little i saw, looked to be chaos and wanted to avoid it but here its another thread about it ironically.

    hope it helps!

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  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 8:15PM

    ;)

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 7:08AM

    So again,,, I ask what is the deal with the reddish purple toning look?
    Also would be nice to see your like samples :)
    Thanks all

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    I've been quoted saying this is like my spruce goose 🦆 and if it's not well then I am not :)

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it is not difficult to have these artificially toned. who the heck knows what kind of crap metal it is made of. there is nothing saying these scumbags aren't using toxic materials, that is to say materials exposed to toxic materials. they don't care about ripping people off but they care about safety, i think not.

    i wonder if anyone has been testing various counterfeits for dangerous chemicals/toxins that XRF can't detect? perhaps contaminants is the better word to use?

    @burfle23 @CaptHenway @dcarr @messydesk or anyone else versed in harmful compound detection and/or that has tested various junk like this being produced en masse. for the record, i have seen plenty a documentary about counterfeit items, not necessarily coins containing toxic materials so there is a lot of precedence. not too different from mercury being used to make raw ore gold easier to collect. does the gold smelting process remove the toxic mercury from the gold?

    perhaps this subject needs its' own thread? didn't i see some youtube videos of people holding liquid mercury in their hands proving it isn't dangerous to handle? perhaps the alert about mercury being dangerous is so that it isn't spread everywhere and kids getting a hold of it?

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  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    XRF already done sir :)
    Per Rogers request

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Also I'm hoping yours is same weight with the same marks and what appears to be Anti-counterfeit protection and a crumbled edge."

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 8:14PM

    ;)

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    Everyone avoids this and gives answers like it's counterfeit and you don't deserve any answers.
    Well except one but I can't blame anyone for distancing themselves, therefore you're right again nobody helps is the answer loud and clear.

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    Well at least I know it's been rescued from whatever scenario it was heading for under the Assumptions it's fake.

    Score on lucky cent day,,, woot woot

    I also have a feeling computers and cameras are going to be able to grade and authentic coins soon :) ikr silly billy
    JMO
    Thanks all

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This member has dedicated a good portion of his time to trolling the forums. I suggest that all members with good interests use those on some other person, because you're just wasting your time here, as demonstrated more than once before.

    Coin Photographer.

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭

    Also remember our price point $1.50-$2.50.
    hmmm yeah ok let's do all this only one time and we can't do it again.
    Yes yes yes I believe you.
    JMO
    Thanks

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On ignore I can't see any of the Op's responses- let me know if there is anything of relevance in his babble going forward...

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    On ignore I can't see any of the Op's responses- let me know if there is anything of relevance in his babble going forward...

    Unfortunately, ignore doesn't hide their threads.

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    On ignore I can't see any of the Op's responses- let me know if there is anything of relevance in his babble going forward...

    I forgot about the ignore function. Thanks for the reminder.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @burfle23 said:
    On ignore I can't see any of the Op's responses- let me know if there is anything of relevance in his babble going forward...

    Unfortunately, ignore doesn't hide their threads.

    But it’s easy enough to skip such threads. The only reason I post to any of them is to encourage others not to communicate with him.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @messydesk said:

    @burfle23 said:
    On ignore I can't see any of the Op's responses- let me know if there is anything of relevance in his babble going forward...

    Unfortunately, ignore doesn't hide their threads.

    But it’s easy enough to skip such threads. The only reason I post to any of them is to encourage others not to communicate with him.

    Point taken...

  • SlickCoinsSlickCoins Posts: 658 ✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 9:43AM

    It's all good we can see your answers :)
    I simply stated that my pictures were not the right color and here is the good color.

    I can see I struck a nerve,,, yes distance & ignore sounds logical,,, wait that's what we have been doing and @SlickCoins just keeps getting better and better even with all disrespect and giving me made up awards for King troll 🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆
    Priceless the gamers do it better :) JMO

    In-game we know it's a troll cause they make no sense and have no books to back their theories,,, here it is exact opposite I've got a book that backs my theory.

    I bet you all hate that aspect.
    Thanks

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2022 11:42AM

    .

    hey, that reminds me. the other night feeding some stray cats (weird bunch) and 2x the normal amount showed up for some reason. there were so many running around, i didn't even notice the big mama and 3 or 4 baby coons in tow walked in front of me about 10-12 feet away and just caught them out of the corner of my eye because how big grown coons are. did get to watch em for a bit.

    those coons have some razor claws (almost as sharp as squirrels) and super soft pads and nose. my experience with them despite them being predators is nothing but gentleness and kindness and of course a bit goofy.

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