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Is the 8 Reales Spanish Dollar a US coin?

GulfRastaGulfRasta Posts: 150 ✭✭✭
edited June 23, 2022 8:27AM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

Is the 8 Reales or Spanish Dollar the first US coin?

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  • GulfRastaGulfRasta Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    Why not? It was established by Congress as accepted. What defines a US Coin? Minted in a US state?

  • YoloBagelsYoloBagels Posts: 142 ✭✭✭

    It has to be minted by a US government/entity to be considered a US coin. Just because it circulated in the US does not make it a US issue.

  • GulfRastaGulfRasta Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    Fair enough. Have all US coins been minted is a US state or territory? What about territories? Do they count? I've seem to recall US Marianas Island or similar coins or maybe that was stamps.

  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2022 6:02AM

    @GulfRasta said:
    Fair enough. Have all US coins been minted is a US state or territory? What about territories? Do they count? I've seem to recall US Marianas Island or similar coins or maybe that was stamps.

    Good question.

    Below is a list of all US Mints ever open. Appears we struck coins in Manila from 1920–1922
    and 1925–1941.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_United_States_mints

  • GulfRastaGulfRasta Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    I understand our paper money used to be larger. Then the US set its current size based on Philippines script. I hope I'm not starting a riot here talking about paper money. Script of all things.

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 47 ✭✭✭

    I posted this first in your original thread on the US Coin Forum.

    Welcome, and while opinions may vary the Spanish 8 Reales also known as the Spanish Milled Dollar, the Pillar Dollar, or piece of eight is listed in the Red Book of United States Coins.

    Philippians 4:4-7

  • GulfRastaGulfRasta Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    I responded there too. I have an agenda. It's a wonderful agenda. I've been sent from the past the reveal known but not discussed history. The history of how the US came to be.
    I'm on a Mark Price Bob Woodward tack. I'm following the money.

  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Red Book is your friend.

    :)

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  • sylsyl Posts: 768 ✭✭✭

    I think that the OP followed too much Alex Jones or Foxx ..... make up a story and then espouse it constantly trying to get folks in your camp also defying rational facts.

  • GulfRastaGulfRasta Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    @syl Huh? You lost me. Let me tell you how I handle this stuff. I challenge you and everyone else to prove me wrong. I love it. That's what I want. That's how important this stuff is. I'm a patriot and I make no apologies or hide from it.
    People of color and the natives did it. Sure. White people were here and played key roles. Like Oliver Pollock. I will not rest until he is a household name. Or the Tranny that founded the US Calvary and saved George Washington's life. Casimir Pulaski. Born a woman and lived as man. Had CAH.
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    This is the important historical information I can provide to the world and people of color. To the LBGTQIA+ community. It's now enshrined in US law that we should do this.

    So please. Anything you've got. Let's have it.

  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They were legal tender and their weight and fineness copied to make the U.S. Dollar. They are American (Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Peru, Bolivia), but not United States of America.

    thefinn
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 13,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 20, 2022 11:35AM

    "Here in Australia, we regard Spanish dollars as part of the "Proclamation series" - coins proclaimed as legal tender by the early colonial government."

    Did not know this ! :)

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  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:
    Did not know this ! :)

    If you're curious. the full list of "Proclamation coins", plus the legal tender values assigned to them, can be found on this Wikipedia page. The values were deliberately designed to be "inflated" above the regular going rate for the coins (for example, an English shilling was reckoned at 13 pence, rather than the usual 12); this was an attempt to dis-incentivize visiting merchant ships taking their coins away from the colony again. Didn't work, of course; the merchants simply raised their prices to compensate. Hence the need to create "holey dollars", mutilated coins that the merchants wouldn't want to take away.

    It's generally well known amongst international coin dealers that Australians are prepared to pay crazy prices, well above the usual market rate everyone else pays, for coins from the late 1700s that happen to be listed on the Proclamation.

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw the Gold Johanna (Portugal coin of 12800 Reis) listed in the Australia 1800 Proclamation coins.

    This was an uncommon large Portuguese coin minted only from 1724 to 1733 in Portugal (Lisbon) and Brazil (Bahia, Rio de Janeiro, and Minas Gerais).

    image
    Portugal gold 12800 reis (8 escudos) "Dobra" 1732-M, Minas Gerais, Brazil
    Gold, 38 mm, 28.58 gm

    Obverse:
    Bust of John V facing right
    IOHANNES V D G PORT ET ALG REX, M/1732
    (John V by the Grace of God, Portugal and Algarve, King)

    Reverse:
    Crowned shield of Portugal

    :)

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