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1909 VDB PCGS MS67

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1909 VDB MS67
Bill

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

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  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    I've looked, and looked. And I just don't see your point.


    Sean
    My eBay store
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Roger's a board member too.
    Keith ™

  • WWBillmanWWBillman Posts: 900
    TWQG,



    << <i>I've looked, and looked. And I just don't see your point. >>



    Ok, the 1909VDB MS67RD has a pop of 119/1.

    There are probably more lincoln cent collectors than collectors in any other single series. Plus the 1909 VDB is a one year variety in the series also required and sought after by Type Collectors. Type collectors usually seek highest grade possible. Due to the expense involved in acquiring a high grade 1909S VDB they naturaly flock to the 1909P VDB.

    This puts a very high demand on this coin in this grade. It is rare to see one become available on the market. Most collectors who acquire them hold them for a long time.

    I have been trying to find one for a couple of years. But due to the toning I am electing to pass on this one.

    I am just bring the coin to the attention of the other collectors in the registry as it is definatly registry quality.

    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Keith and Bill, thank you for clarifying. I wish we had a better scan to discuss its toning. Seems nice to me. The reverse surfaces look mid 67 to me though.


    Sean
    My eBay store
  • RELLARELLA Posts: 961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>But due to the toning I am electing to pass on this one. >>



    Bill...due to the toning I've decided to sell this one.image The colors are actually very beautiful; just not what you would like to see on a Lincoln. If the toning wasn't SO strong I would hold onto this one for the strike and surfaces, which I really like.

    If you are serious about buying a high quality MS67RD PM me with an offer and I'll see what I can do...a nice one will run you almost double what the one I have up now will go for though.

    TWQG;

    I've got the digital camera out now (should be way better than my scanner for showing color and luster). Not sure exactly when (need time to experiment as I have not used this camera for coin pics before), but I'll try my best to get better pics of it posted over the weekend.

    RELLA


    Do not fall into the error of the artisan
    who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
    while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
    twenty times.
  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    Rella
    I had to reply to this one.After looking at the scan,I just don't agree with the grade given by PCGS.Maybe I'd have to see it in person.The hair detail just isn't up to MS67.The luster does look great though.
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭


    << <i>I have been trying to find one for a couple of years. But due to the toning I am electing to pass on this one. >>



    Bill, I've located no less than a dozen that have changed hands in the last two years. There are hundreds of nice ICG's floating around too.



    << <i>as it is definatly registry quality. >>



    Actually, I have seen another picture of this one and the reverse has problems. I still like the color though.


    Sean
    My eBay store
  • RELLARELLA Posts: 961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll try my best to get better pics of it posted over the weekend >>



    OK, my digital camera skills are worse than my scanner skills...I've fought with this for a while and don't have any pictures worth posting.

    Sean,



    << <i>I have seen another picture of this one and the reverse has problems >>



    Where have you seen another picture of this one...a previous owner? I have the coin in front of me and I think that the reverse is very nice, even for a MS67. I have several other MS67RD Lincolns to compare it to, and I don't see it being a lesser coin than any of them in any way except color. Please let me know where I can see another picture of the reverse if possible. I try to do the best job possible in being accurate about coins I sell; so this comment is important to me (them's fightin' words!image). My scans of this coin look far worse than the coin does in person. Never trust pictures as pictures can lie...I have yet to gain the skills to make my pictures lie about a coin in its favor.image

    Don,



    << <i>After looking at the scan,I just don't agree with the grade given by PCGS.Maybe I'd have to see it in person.The hair detail just isn't up to MS67 >>



    Once again, my scans are the problem, not the coin. Plus I think you're just spoiled from looking at all those proofs.image

    Bill,



    << <i>I have been trying to find one for a couple of years >>



    Andy at Angel Dee's has a nice one (maybe not PQ but WAY better color than this one at least) for $900 I think. Give him a call: 703-491-0336.

    RELLA
    Do not fall into the error of the artisan
    who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
    while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
    twenty times.
  • WWBillmanWWBillman Posts: 900
    TWQG,



    << <i>Bill, I've located no less than a dozen that have changed hands in the last two years. There are hundreds of nice ICG's floating around too. >>



    Thats what I want a MS65RD in a MS67RD holder............
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Bill,

    I've seen no less than a dozen MS67 PCGS/NGC trade hands in the last two years. In addition, there are hundreds of nice ICG's floating around.

    I'm sorry I was not more clear.


    Rella,
    No fightin words, really. I like that coin. It's just that I've owned this type many times in 66 and there are too many marks on the reverse to justify the big jump into 67. The back of the head and his jowl is not fully struck. If I'm not mistaken, this coin sold in Heritage's October 3, 2001 Long Beach Signature Sale for $373.75.

    Sean


    P.S. Bill, please don't highlight any of my ebay auctions as I would not appreciate this.
    My eBay store
  • RELLARELLA Posts: 961 ✭✭✭
    Sean,

    Sure enough that's it....suddenly I don't feel so bad about my scans of this thing though. image More detail doesn't always solve the problem of scans not matching real life...problem areas on the scan are just not on the coin. Also, from what I've seen of the 1909 VDB in MS67RD I think about 10 coins total don't have something that could be brought under attack. Looking for problems with this one is easy as it is for many coins even in 67 but put this next to the MS66RD VDB I am also auctioning off right now and it blows that coin out of the water (and that coin isn't a dog for the grade either).

    All this just illustrates one thing that makes this hobby fun...everyone has different critieria about what makes a coin desirable. Not all people are out looking for the exact same coin for the same reason, even if the different coins that they are looking for can be classified the same numerically. It is a rare find when one has a coin that is "the one" for all people.

    RELLA

    Do not fall into the error of the artisan
    who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
    while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
    twenty times.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭
    Rella,
    I agree with everything you just said.
    I sometimes hate every coin I own just cause I'm seeing the bad. I guess this makes me always looking for the better coin.
    Not to shake your confidence in grading but check out the PCGS MS66 which sold there also on July 25, 2000 in the E.I. The scratches on the obverse are on the holder. I was seller there. As nice a 67 as one can find.

    I still really like your coin. I don't understand the negative about the color. I think that this issue usually comes with some greens, yellows, or crimsons.


    Sean

    My eBay store
  • RELLARELLA Posts: 961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I sometimes hate every coin I own just cause I'm seeing the bad. I guess this makes me always looking for the better coin >>


    The same for me...goes to show us registry people don't just collect the holder.image


    << <i>Not to shake your confidence in grading >>


    I have several of MS67RD Lincolns and I've owned many more in the past...yet my two nicest Lincolns (IMHO) are both entombed in MS66RD plastic. Grading is an inexact science on its best day, partly because of the personal preference issue I already mentioned.


    << <i>I don't understand the negative about the color >>


    Once again...personal preference; you like the color more than I do and I like the surfaces and strike more.

    RELLA
    Do not fall into the error of the artisan
    who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
    while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
    twenty times.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    leo...........it's a slow day on the boards.imageRella nice coin, btw.
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