Is Repunched Date a mint error or variety, for submission purposes

Rob9874

Apologies if this has been discussed before, I tried searching the forum to to avail. I have a PCGS graded 1864 IHC with a repunched date, but it is not designated as such. PCGS recognizes it on their price guide as RPD FS-1301 S-2 (006.48). If I wanted to resubmit for the designation, do I choose Variety Attribution or Mint Error? PCGS's website lists what varieties they recognize, and IHCs are not listed. TIA

AUandAG

submit as coin 37400. It has it's own number.
bob

Rob9874

@AUandAG said:
submit as coin 37400. It has it's own number.

Will do, thanks. But to get it designated, don't I need to select (and pay for) either Variety designation or Mint Error? Mint Error is more money, so I was hoping to get by on Variety.

AUandAG

@Rob9874 said:

@AUandAG said:
submit as coin 37400. It has it's own number.

Will do, thanks. But to get it designated, don't I need to select (and pay for) either Variety designation or Mint Error? Mint Error is more money, so I was hoping to get by on Variety.

IF PCGS gives a coin it's own number you do not have to pay extra for anything as I understand it. IF I am wrong I hope others will correct it. But, a quick call to CS at PCGS would be in order I think.
bob

dbldie55

I have always paid a variety fee for the coins that end up with a FS- number on the holder.

Rob9874

How about if my coin isn't on this list of varieties PCGS recognizes?
https://pcgs.com/varietyfaq

MetroD

@Rob9874

I think that it is a variety for the following reasons:

1) The recognized varieties on the PCGS variety webpage specifically lists "Fivaz-Stanton" (i.e., the FS prefix). It is the last bullet under "What varieties does PCGS recognize?".

2) For RB, the "base coin" number is 2077. The 'coin facts' page for this "base coin" specifically lists "1864 1C RPD FS-1301 S-2 (006.48), RB" as a "die variety".

Note - to display this information, left click "Show Related Coins and Varieties (15)".

oih82w8

If the variety is listed in the Redbook, there is no fee associated with its designation. If the variety is a cherry pickers the fee applies.

37400 has the variety attribution fee.

jmlanzaf

It's not an error.

Rob9874

Thanks all, very helpful. I will add the $18 fee for variation designation.

Since it's already slabbed, is this considered a regrade? I don't need it regraded, happy with the MS64 BN grade, just want the designation added.

MetroD

@Rob9874 said:
Thanks all, very helpful. I will add the $18 fee for variation designation.

Since it's already slabbed, is this considered a regrade? I don't need it regraded, happy with the MS64 BN grade, just want the designation added.

Source

Also, for BN, the PCGS coin number is 37399.

Edited - Added 'highlighter' to screenshot.

keyman64

As some others have indicated...
When a mint employee PURPOSELY does something to a die the creates a RPD, RPM, DDO or DDR etc then it is not an error. It was done on purpose. They are varieties. There are always exceptions to the rule I guess but if you can follow this logic you will be correct at least most of the time.

Aspie_Rocco

@Rob9874 said:
Thanks all, very helpful. I will add the $18 fee for variation designation.

Since it's already slabbed, is this considered a regrade? I don't need it regraded, happy with the MS64 BN grade, just want the designation added.

Reholder service with variety attribution is what you want to select.

jesbroken

@dbldie55 said:
I have always paid a variety fee for the coins that end up with a FS- number on the holder.

I just had 1945 P MS66FS graded and did not pay for FS.
Jiim

jmlanzaf

@jesbroken said:

@dbldie55 said:
I have always paid a variety fee for the coins that end up with a FS- number on the holder.

I just had 1945 P MS66FS graded and did not pay for FS.
Jiim

Different FS. Fivaz Stanton not Full Steps

jesbroken

Oops.
Jim

Treashunt

An RPD is a variety.

ChrisH821

@AUandAG said:

@Rob9874 said:

@AUandAG said:
submit as coin 37400. It has it's own number.

Will do, thanks. But to get it designated, don't I need to select (and pay for) either Variety designation or Mint Error? Mint Error is more money, so I was hoping to get by on Variety.

IF PCGS gives a coin it's own number you do not have to pay extra for anything as I understand it. IF I am wrong I hope others will correct it. But, a quick call to CS at PCGS would be in order I think.
bob

You have to pay for minor varieties, coin number doesn't have anything to do with it. I think the 'rule' is if it's in the Redbook then it is considered a major variety and is not charged.

@Rob9874 said:
Thanks all, very helpful. I will add the $18 fee for variation designation.

Since it's already slabbed, is this considered a regrade? I don't need it regraded, happy with the MS64 BN grade, just want the designation added.

What you want to do is send it in for re-holder with variety attribution.

Rob9874

Thanks everyone, that answers all my questions. Need to get these off to PCGS ASAP, as my vouchers expire soon.

Rob9874

Submitting now using the online form. Not letting me use my voucher. I completed a submission with 3 other raw coins with the voucher, but I was hoping I could use it towards this, as I don't have any other coins to submit. Voucher expires 5/19.