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PSA rejects sent to SGC w/results
fmclaug11
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A few weeks ago I sent in some of my past PSA rejects to SGC to at least get them slabbed as Authentic as I wanted them encapsulated for my personal collection. Here are the results…while I wasn’t sure what to expect, there were a few surprises…
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Imagine that. Congrats.
Fascinating.
Not surprised at all especially on min size.
Wow. Congrats. And thanks for the idea.
So SGC is only 50% as good at grading as PSA
Grading is very subjective and frankly, random. Crazy how much of a premium is paid on 8-9-10.
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
Did you measure the ones that PSA said was too small and SGC gave a grade?
Very smart move sending them back in. Nice 1960 Aaron too. Nice 57 Mantle also.
How did that 57 Mantle get a miscut originally? It looks normal to me?
Looks like it is a diamond cut just judging from the right side. Kind of hard to tell from the pic but the right side does look off. It's a nice looking card, though.
PROMETHIUS, Please explain diamond cut?
My grading is off...looks better than a 2.5 to me.
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Yeah, I was surprised by a 2.5 also, when I got it back I noticed a small barely noticeable bend/crease on the top of the card which I hadn’t noticed before but I figure was probably there. A real good looking 2.5 if I say so myself.
Based on the pictures at SGC for that 1957 Mantle, there appears to be a stain on the back. Also, the right edge might have a slight "curve" to it (not by much). I have seen cards graded with a similar type of cut. I think there were some Tom Seaver RC's I was looking at recently with a similar type of "curved" edge
Also, Here’s the slight crease…
Clearly shows how subjective the whole grading system is and how easy it could be/is to manipulate it or how easily mistakes can and are made, one way or the other.
This post should scare people from sending cards to PSA.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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The PSA definition is "Any and all cards that exhibit an atypical cut for the issue, which may result in portions of the subject card being cut off or more than one card being visible".
Maybe I'm just blind but I sure don't see that in this particular card. Diamond cuts, especially one as minor as this one, usually don't get MC designations.
From PSA?? That's your takeaway? Umm...
Hiya Brian
Not sure if you were just being rhetorical but for those who get confused about the difference between a "diamond cut" and a "tilt" in a card?
Here's an exaggerated e.g. of a diamond cut: the corners are "not" at 90 degrees.
A "tilt" is a card with 90 degree corners but the inner part is not parallel with the edges/border.
Scary about SGC grading an evidence of trim as a 7…wow. Why I will stick with PSA.
That comment does not make sense to me because it seems to misunderstand that PSA is not a person or a grader; it is a company that employs people to do that job. I have subbed cards to PSA that came back as 2's that I subsequently cracked and resubbed to PSA and had them come back as 7's and 8's. Same thing with cards that come back minsize or trimmed or miscut. Getting a grade is a luck of a dice roll for what grader(s) review your item at the time. You have to trust that PSA and SGC have the best reputation for employing the more accurate graders, but there is also a lot of variance within a company. Additionally, there are tons of instances of PSA having a mech error on the grading portion of the label which do not represent the assigned grade but rather an error in administrative typing of the grade on the actual label.
PSA does the same thing all the time. You just have to keep sending the same card back to them. In my experience, you can go from min size, to trimmed, to graded all with PSA. Those results make clear that there is not a lot of objectivity involved in grading. I just had the same card go from a 3 to a 6 on a crack and resubmit. What’s truly crazy is the price delta between grades when it seems that PSA does not consistently assign the same grade to the exact same card. With modern cards in particular, the difference between a 9 and 10 is essentially nothing. I be you could submit 100 modern 9s and 10s and many would flip flop on a regrade.
Evidence of trim to a 7 does not make sense to me, but to each their own. I will stick with PSA for my collection. Posts like these reinforce my decision. Kudos to the op for getting SGC to slab with grades.
I prefer posts with pictures
Many people have cracked out PSA cards and sent them to other companies and came back trimmed.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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All grading companies have graded trimmed cards. All grading companies have refused to slab cards that are not altered. All do their best not to do either.
Or SGC
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I trust SGC.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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SGC is pretty clearly a notch below
For me it reinforces how wildly inconsistent grading is. Trimmed cards by the train load have been getting by TPG’s for 20 years. The most iconic card in the hobby is trimmed for gods sake. One card doctor made bank buying lower grade 86 Jordans and “improving” them, he hit 3 PSA 10’s ….in one sub. And yet a Jordan pulled from a pack/break on this forum came back EOT.
Lets be honest grading, as done today, by all TPG’s is a bit of a mess. Until true tech is introduced into the process it will remain this way, it is much too hard to consistently catch EOT, undersized cards and other micro transgressions consistently it at all.
It is clearly a notch below in terms of resale value but if you are talking in terms of “accuracy” however you want to define that, I’m not sure that anyone really has the data to make that assessment.
Even if the TPG's were to adopt computer grading, unless all equipment was calibrated the same way for all TPG's,you still would have variances in the grading results. Different settings would look for different things if not all alike in settings. Just my viewpoint.
Mike, Thanks for the explanation. I had heard the term before but couldn't remember what it meant.
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I have a box of cracked out labels with more than 100 PSA cards that were under graded, or listed as trimmed that when resubmitted graded 1-3 grades higher. One and only 1 graded 1/2 point lower. I had 6s grade 9 and 8s grade 10. PSA does not follow their own grading guidelines. It’s my opinion each grader has his or her own scale
Do you have more info on the doctored 86s coming back PSA10s? You got my attention.
Brian
Hiya Brian - you're very welcome.
Sharing with other collectors is at the core of why I participate in our hobby.
Some truth to this, but the measurements would be the same. I would think a combination of computer and human grading would be the best. Would like to know what issues the grader/computer found when card is downgraded.