iverson will always be selfish- interesting article and poll

ebok

http://www.msnbc.com/news/779287.asp?pne=11947&0ct=-300

Should the Philadelphia 76ers trade Allen Iverson?

* 6866 responses

Yes, even if they don't get much in return
46%

Yes, but only if they get equal value from other team
18%

No, he's too good a player
36%

Undertaker why are you so agaisnt kobe? Nobody is better than shaq in the league right now, but who is 2nd? Cmon now man stop hating on probably the biggest reason why shaq has 3 rings. My only arguements are for kobe vs tcrap, me myself and i VERSON, and vcarter.

Undertaker

check NBA.com

POLL:
If you could choose any player to start a team today, who would it be?

Shaquille O'Neal

45%

Kobe Bryant

18%

Tracy McGrady

11%

Jason Kidd

10%

Tim Duncan

9%

Other

7%




Total Responses: 9093

ebok

I already voted for shaq - so what's your point in all this? Everybody would of voted for jordan when shaq was 23 man. Give kobe some time

Undertaker

ahh just the thing I wanted to hear
thanks

ChrisDaBalla

<< <i>Undertaker why are you so agaisnt kobe? Nobody is better than shaq in the league right now, but who is 2nd? Cmon now man stop hating on probably the biggest reason why shaq has 3 rings. My only arguements are for kobe vs tcrap, me myself and i VERSON, and vcarter. >>

Why are you so against Tracy McGrady?

ebok

Oh believe me. When it gets done to serious talk- I'm a tmac fan, but when it comes to his fans saying he's better than kobe, because he avg a measley .4 ppg and 2 more rebs and less assists drives me nuts. Who does tmac have to even hurt his stats? Nobody in this league plays with a monster like shaq and nobody in this league likes to be the 2nd guy. If you can't say kobe's game has to take a back seat to shaq you are crazy. That's why you don't see kobe going for 56 in 3 quarters with shaq in the game. It's impossible for one guy to avg 35ppg and 1 guy avg 20ppg and both be happy when you have two megastars like shaq and kobe. They share the ball with each other and they both could have monster stats alone. If undertaker can't agree with this................Then it's sad.

Undertaker

of course I agree with that.. but I just can't stand the fact that you say that Kobe's better than everyone else over and over again..

ebok

man I can't stand people who say kobe never gets doubled or triple teamed. The only reason why I even started to post pics was because mr autobilia who says kobe never gets doubled is WRONG. I posted proof and now what? Can you prove it wrong? NO ....When did I say KOBE was better than everyone else? When did I say kobe was better than shaq? vice versa? You are taking it the wrong way undertaker.I have always said shaq is the most dominating player and kobe is the better overall player. Can you not argree with that?

ChrisDaBalla

<< <i>Who does tmac have to even hurt his stats? >>

How can you say that?!?! What about Grant Hill!!! lol

ILuvSportsCards

Put Kobe on a team that sucks and watch how many points he scores. I am by no means a Kobe fan, but he's playing with Shaq and yet still averaging 20 something points a game. Now who would you say is better and 23?? Kobe or Jordan?? kobe has more championships and plays with a very good player (Shaq) but still averages 20 a game. Put Kobe on the Bulls (when they sucked in earlier part of Jordan's career) and watch what he does. Any comments??

Undertaker

Kobe's great and a genious on the court , I agree with that , and of course he draws double teams, ya can't do nothin' but agree with that..
and people who say that when you replace Kobe with T-Mac or Iverson the Lakers would be as dominant as they are now are WRONG.. like I said, Kobe is a genious on the court who can give excellent passes and who knows what it is to play with Shaq (although he sometimes switches to the 'gimme-the-ball-mode)

ILuvSportsCards

The Lakers would win without Shaq, not without Kobe. See without Kobe Shaq can't do anything but post up. Kobe is the Lakers playmaker. And you know if Shaq posts up constantly he is gonna get double teamed, and they won't have that one two punch. But yet if they kept Kobe, they would still be good. Here's why: The Lakers have players that can get open and that can hit open shots. Kobe has the skills to drive, score, hit foul shots, find the open man, etc. most of which Shaq can't do. Not to take anything away from Shaq he's great but not as great as Kobe. Without Kobe the Lakers would never be where they are. Nough said.

ebok

Undertaker that's what seperates him from tmac or iverson. Kobe is a very smart player as you said and he knows exactly when to go into the give me the freaking ball mode. Alot of players are afraid to take the big shot for the mere fact of failure. Failure is a part of life and the real champions, legends, winners KNOW THIS.

Put kobe one a team right now solo and we all know what he could average, but would he win a title? Not right now, but nobody has with the right team. Why do you think tmac fans want a duncan? They all know he can't win solo. Nobody has period. This arguement about tmac even being in kobes league because he avg .4 more ppg and 2 rebs is ridiclious. Kobe was taking over games in the finals while tmac was riding the bench crying for toronto in 2000. If tmac couldn't handle being in vc's spotlight what in the world do you actually think he could handle playing behind shaq? I'm done with this arguement. Kobe sucks you people are right. This is exactly what he needs- More motivation and sense to prove people wrong from people like you. Thank you haters.

ebok

iluv- I do agree with your saying. The lakers would be alot boring to watch without kobe I'll tell you that. They would become predictable with just shaq of course. Shaq is a monster though I can't take nothing away from shaq - I like shaq, I like his look on life, But with only shaq I don't know if we could actually say the lakers are 3 peat champions. Can you say that undertaker? Vice versa with kobe. I'm just glad we got them both and if you undertaker want to fight about shaq being better or whatever go ahead, but I only argue about kobe being better any other player in the league right other than shaq.

Undertaker

..<<The Lakers would win without Shaq, not without Kobe. See without Kobe Shaq can't do anything but post up. Kobe is the Lakers playmaker. And you know if Shaq posts up constantly he is gonna get double teamed, and they won't have that one two punch. But yet if they kept Kobe, they would still be good. Here's why: The Lakers have players that can get open and that can hit open shots. Kobe has the skills to drive, score, hit foul shots, find the open man, etc. most of which Shaq can't do. Not to take anything away from Shaq he's great but not as great as Kobe. Without Kobe the Lakers would never be where they are. Nough said. >>..


LOL they would win w/o Shaq? oh here we go again.. do you honestly think that Shaq would be named 3 times MVP of the Finals if it was Kobe who is the best? my gawd
and OF COURSE Shaq posts up, HE'S A CENTER!!! you expect him to run the point as well? so then he like rebounds, dribbles, posts up, dunks, passes (which he does great) and steals the ball as well?
gimme a break.. go home boy cauz YOU know sh!t about bkb

Undertaker

I'm not sayin that Shaq is better.. he's just the cornerstone of the dynasty.. can't YOU 2 agree with that?

ebok

Undertaker yeah you must be a newbie laker fan. Did you even watch the 2000 finals? Do you remember kobe not playing vs the pacers due to injury? Do you? Do you even remember who won, because kobe was not playing? I can only imagine if kobe stayed injured reggie miller would of kept going off and your #1 shaq wouldn't have 3 finals mvp's. You give no credit to kobe whatsoever and it's freaking sad. Nobody is saying kobe is better than shaq idiot. Here you want to read about shaq without kobe in the 2000 finals?

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,2470467_54,00.html without kobe

http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,2480905_54,00.html with kobe

Read that and get back to me undertaker.

saying kobe has nothing to do with shaq having 3 rings is ridiclious!!