Mary Elizabeth Hart's Coins of the Golden West
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Here's a set of the Coins of the Golden West set with it's original copper frame! The frame looks like the copper frame for the PPIE coins.
I had no idea these sets were worth so much!
Mary Elizabeth Gibson Hart exhibited at the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Expo and it's theorized that Farran Zerbe used her name to create this set.
See background at:
- Resources: https://www.filmsgraded.com/mehart/index.htm
- History: https://www.filmsgraded.com/mehart/hartset.htm
- Sale: https://coins.ha.com/itm/-/a/1251-6177.s
Update: Here's a TrueView specimen:
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A 36 coin set was sold for an $34,500 by Fred Holabird!
Here's a photo of Mary E. Hart:
Source: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mrs.Mary_E._Hart.-NARA-_297691.jpg
Newspaper clipping:
https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=LAH19031106.2.59&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1
She was Vice President and Press Representative for the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition Hostess' Association, where she could have met Farran Zerbe as he was also exhibiting there.
https://books.google.com/books?id=b7TEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT596&lpg=PT596&dq=mary+hart+alaska+elizabeth&source=bl&ots=9W9jgOEud5&sig=ACfU3U0Vp228bni_JIwJOlPfCu_ZrARcXA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjy_efX2tn2AhWLD0QIHdkAARkQ6AF6BAgdEAM#v=onepage&q=mary hart alaska elizabeth&f=false
A most interesting post! I had never heard of Mary E. Hart or the Golden West coin set.
That name is a first for me ad well
that is a lovely way that mary's collection was holdered/displayed!
and a very nice crop/presenation job for fred's.
interesting to look at those and picture what those types of items may have been doing in day-to-day commerce.
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Very interesting info @Zoins
You find the neatest things. I will need to spend some time within the links you provided.
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They were never in commerce. They are fantasy coins.
Some Period 1 California Fractionals did, in fact, circulate.
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Here's some more great info on Mary E. Hart by William D. Hyder, Mike Locke, and Dan Owens.
Mary E. Hart and M. E. Hart’s Coins of the Golden West By William D. Hyder
In this article, we learn that Mary E. Hart was associated with the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in addition to the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition.
Will The Real M.E. Hart Please Stand Up?
Mike Locke and Dan Owens research paper, compiled by Dan Owens.
Here, Mike and Dan speculate about other possible identities for "M.E. Hart".
While true, I don't believe that has any bearing on the Hart coins which I believe are all fantasy coins struck in the early 20th century.
@Zoins , where and how do you find these absolutely interesting bits of history???
Thanks!
I just find coins and history fascinating, enough to search and post
Regarding Mary's participation in the World's Columbian Exposition, James Miller (J.M.) Guinn, Secretary of the Historical Society of Southern California, indicates that Mary was in charge of their exhibit.
Source: https://online.ucpress.edu/scq/article-abstract/3/1/88/84387/SECRETARY-S-REPORT-1893
In my desire to track down full names, I learned the following from her husband's page on Ancestry.com:
This seems to be the right Mary E. hart because:
Source: https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/frank-hickox-hart-24-221lmvv
Here's her link on familysearch.org (free site, requires free registration):
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LVGR-BBZ
I updated the links for Frank Hickox Hart using the info you showed, and added some more sources.
Thanks for the link! I was impressed by all the great info there!
Of course, there's still work to do to add the Coins of the Golden West!
A description of Mary E. Hart's exhibit at the World's Columbian Exposition is here:
World's Columbian Exposition, Chicago, Ill., 1893, Volume 1
https://books.google.com/books?id=XgYaAAAAYAAJ
It's interesting that Wikipedia even has the following page, though I'm not sure if Mary Hart qualifies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_artists_exhibited_at_the_1893_World%27s_Columbian_Exposition
Here are some comments by a past member who is currently banned (and who I miss):
As noted, small Gold Jewels Tokens did in fact circulate during the 1850's and perhaps into the late 1870's, they filled a void in the far west where small circulating coinage wasn't very common. The overwhelming majority of tokens struck after the late 1850's were novelty items and never circulated. That brings us to the "Hart's Coins of the West" which were anything but coins. As @jmlanzaf pointed out, they were fantasy tokens struck by Farran Zerbe. Below is a link you can check out. (My comment: This is a really cool link with lots of good pictures!)
https://www.filmsgraded.com/mehart/hartset.htm
Something to consider is a little exploration of the Numismatic battle between Farran Zerbe and Thomas Elder. Suffice as to say that Zerbe was a greedy marketer who sucked as much as he could out of the Hobby, he was shameless in his promotions and perverted some of the sales at the 1904 St. Louis Exhibition, took control of "The Numismatist" magazine and the ANA governors board for brief time around the 1910 time period. After that, he moved on to the Panama-Pacific Exposition and did the same thing.
For all his notoriety, Farran Zerbe was a scourge on the Hobby and concerned only with his own self-interests. A little research back to the late 1890's reveals that many/most of the small Gold Charms and Tokens of the era originated with him in some fashion. It is sad how collectors can be duped, thinking they are coins and that they have a place in Numismatics as circulating in turn-of-the-century commerce. I live in the NEOhio area, Cleveland is where probably all of the "fake" plated copies of this kind of thing originated in the 1960's. When I worked in the coin shop we would see them regularly. In Zerbe's defense, at least the ones he issued were made of Gold.
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One possibility is that Farran and Mary could have collaborated on M.E. Hart Company. Minimally, Farran could have paid Mary for the use of her name and perhaps even some consulting for the Coins of the Golden West. I would not be surprised if some consulting was done given the subject matter.
Of note, when the 1855 Kellogg slug restrikes were done in 2001, they were inscribed with the name of the California Historical Society, but my understanding is that CHS wasn't involved with the project other than being paid for the use of their name.
The following is clipping from Brian Koller is interesting:
So my Panama-California Expo medal is distributed by M.E. Hart Company.
1916 Panama-California / San Diego Exposition Official Medal - Gilt
Designer: Clifford Kennedy Berryman
Engraver: Charles Edward Barber
Distributor: M.E. Hart Company (Mary E. Hart and/or Farran Zerbe)
Catalog: HK-431
Grade: NGC MS65 POP 22/3/0
From:
https://www.filmsgraded.com/mehart/hartset.htm
Newspaper article:
https://www.filmsgraded.com/mehart/img/yup.pdf
This newspaper article (Ogden, Utah dated May 10, 1916) states that Mrs. Mary E Hart
I find this unconvincing.
Even if was based on something she said at the time, it could simply mean that she would not return south until after the summer.
In prior years, she routinely travelled back and forth from Alaska to California and Washington, as described in Hyder's detailed article.
Alaska in the summer, and California in the winter, of course.
If the M.E. Hart Company was hers, it could still operate while she was in Alaska for the summer.
Given that the tokens were made in early 1916 or 1915, her location in May 1916 is irrelevant to why/how they were made.
In my view, it's uncertain if she was involved in the M.E. Hart Company.
Also uncertain if Farran Zerbe was involved in the M.E. Hart Company.
We do know he liked to make and sell similar gold tokens, and that the frame was very similar to the 1915 Pan-Pac frame.
As @Zoins said, both Mary E. Hart and Farran Zerbe could have been involved.
The evidence is weak; what would be needed to resolve such questions are financial records of the M.E. Hart Company.
Here's the newspaper article which says she had accumulated a small fortune.
I agree nothing seems really certain here.
My gut feel is that it seems to make sense that there was some kind of collaboration between the two. They both loved expos and had a long history with them, she had experience in Alaska, he had experience selling coins. I wouldn't be surprised if Mary provided a name associated with Alaska and consulting on coin designs.
https://www.icollector.com/Outstanding-Harts-Coins-of-the-West-Set_i29369875
This information from Fred indicates that Mary was a tireless promoter of Alaska which would seem aligned with the Alaska theme of the set.
Meanwhile, Zerbe was founding / promoting the PCNS which didn't cover Alaska but did cover the other states in the set.
So I think it's plausible it was some kind of partnership. Hopefully new information will surface some time. To some extent, they both seem to be big promoters.
A very interesting thing from Fred Holabird's description above is that the Coins of the Golden West was:
Regarding the dates 1904 and 1916:
Coincidence?
Mary passed away in 1921 while Zerbe lived until 1949.
If Zerbe was the primary driver behind this set, did he have some reason to stop? Did he attend the 1926 Sesquicentennial Expo or any others? Even after he donated his collection to Chase National Bank in 1928, he retained permission to take coins to exhibit at events.
Here's an excerpt from Hanscom's article:
https://archive.org/stream/alaskantokencoll1992alas/alaskantokencoll1992alas_djvu.txt
Here's another interesting question, if the Coins of the Golden West was marketed from 1904 to 1916 and the PPIE set was sold in 1915, which set used the copper frame first and when?
According to your source
https://www.icollector.com/Outstanding-Harts-Coins-of-the-West-Set_i29369875
Fred Holabird was quoted only in the second half of this page.
The quote you used:
Occurs before the second half, so I don't think Fred wrote that.
And I believe the concept that the set was marketed starting in 1904 conflicts with this quote from Hyder:
1909 is after 1904, and the AYPE tokens have 1909 and A.Y.P.E. on them.
I haven't seen detailed info on when this set was sold, but I have assumed it was in 1915 and 1916,
especially since the frame was a close match to the 1915 Pan-Pac frame.
The address for M.E. Hart in Hyder's article mentions the years 1915 and 1916 only.
The source I used is the lot description by Holabird Western Americana Collections LLC, Fred Holabird's company
Do you know if Fred has someone else write his lot descriptions?
Good info. I haven't seen when the sets were sold yet either and was going by Fred's (company's) lot description. It would be useful to nail that down.
Maybe he wrote the whole page, but why is his name not cited until halfway down the page?
It could be because the lot description is from a 2018 auction but he's quoting something written in 2013.
Saying something like "The following was written by me in 2013" also sounds a bit odd.
It is for sale on eBay for 145k now
Beautiful set.....
Just another great item that I'll never own. I would have had that on the wall next to the fractional currency shield that I'll never own.
A buck forty-five seems a little excessive. Sixty might not surprise me though. That's a scarce item.
These are not coins. At best they are fantasy tokens and they are grossly overpriced. Pass.
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It does seem way over priced. That is why it hasn’t sold. I personally like the designs. The concept of drumming up sales, shilling, etc… doesn’t seem much different than what the mint does with modern issues and what they and speculators l did with 50 cent commemoratives back in the day. Based on what I have readyamyway. I see people shill those 2022 Morgan’s all the time on tv. I have no interest in those and the premiums. My wife thinks all coins are over priced and ridiculous. Her money is better spent on furniture.
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so averaging it out, give or take, $1k per coin from that sales result.
calling them California Fracs seems fraudulent.
they were issued at the Pan Pac per the info i've came across.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12210314#Comment_12210314
i'm usually up for a good analysis/research effort. so lets say why we think these are or are not worth what they sold for and what we based it on. if we are going to do this somewhat responsibly.
they are just tokens and there are "plenty" of fracs and other private issues made by popular and desirable private companies.
technically, that is all that the "usa" gold coins with "cal" or wass moliter etc are, right; tokens, since they were not officially issued by the us government, thus, not legal tender? so if these are proved to have an accurate value at this price range, then their much more desirable counterparts (legit) are only that much more so,no? not an attack on any type here but in order to asses what they are or are not, comparing to similar items before, during and after they were made, seems like would be a good place to start?
are they actually gold and what percent?
while the pan pac is beyond question, important and extremely popular across all collectable areas, are these really going to hold up at this value and perhaps slowly go up or are these people holders for future value plummets?
despite the interesting time we are in for sales results, does anyone have some decent input why they think these are or are not worth of a $1k per coin valuation? let alone 4x that based on the ebay listing?
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Are they any less than the "fracs" than the "Period 3" fractionals, or are they Period 3 fractionals?
Before Hansen and Covid, it seems the vast majority of US coins were going down in value.
JMHO, There seems to be quite a bit of speculation about the true identity of M.E. Hart and any involvement she may have had with this set. There is one piece of history which is clear, at least to me: Farran Zerby, for all the good he did for Numismatics, was a bit of a shady character at worst and a shameless self-promoter at best. He seemed greed driven which is the genesis of the feud between him and Elder. I also find it peculiar that Mary E. Hart is on record in print refusing to return to lower 48. That's strange. It's also strange that everywhere she's mentioned it seems to be Mrs. Mary E. Hart, she had at least some notoriety and also some wealth. Why wouldn't she take advantage of that if she was starting some sort of company?? Why suddenly start to use only her initials to provide anonymity??
Like the old saying about ducks, how they walk and talk, this scheme was probably a duck and Farran Zerbe was the Pied Piper with the duck call in his mouth.
I know there's speculation of Zerbe's involvement, but what part is clear? Are there any records of his involvement?
I don't know why the initials could have been used, but she wasn't in the coin business before, so while she did have some fame, this new venture is in a slightly different area and could be a reason for using the initials.
I'm not saying this is any more or less likely than Zerbe being involved. I just haven't seen anything beyond speculation and coincidence.
Looks like Mary Elizabeth Gibson Hart did return to the lower 48. This may have been due to a deterioration in heath as she committed suicide in Los Angeles due to ill health.
Ref: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69136505/mary-elizabeth-hart
It might be interesting to see close ups of each of these. Here's one to start (also added to OP).
a big step in the right direction, imo, to establishing long-term value to these items.
the coinfacts info leads to prior sales results, establishing individual piece valuations where people have had time to research, grade, auction off etc and from just 2 results, for this one piece, years ago, we get $400-600 essentially. so perhaps $1k each, these days is a bargain, all things being equal.
so it seems, the number at the end of the CF link, is indeed, the pcgs coin number. a couple pop page searches, and this is where the above is found:
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/misc-medallic-token-fantasy-coinage/157644
with 570585 being the pcgs coin number. doing a page search by that number makes is significantly quicker/easier to find.
edited to add:
does anyone see the indian token with the TV in this image? indian facing right, one pinch rev, octagonal.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/vf/lclq9tj77y3c.jpg
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Wow! Great catch! I don't see it! This is very interesting!
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Nice to know this is now pedigreed to Jeffrey Behan of Premier Rare Coins. Good to trace pedigree for these rare items!
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ok. i found another one on the pcgs pop page NOT in the purple image above but the image where they are all cropped together seems to have some different ones as well so i'm not sure what comprises a full set. can't say i have enough vested interest to do it myself but it would PROBABLY be a simple but time-consuming project.
the ngc pops may need checked too since the big non purple image seems to have them all in that type of pronged holder?
all the links you've provided would be a fantastic start for someone wanting to untangle all of this.
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Lots of searching to do
Here's a Montana type that looks like it's part of the set.
Although PCGS lists these as the same coin type, they look like different dies. On the reverse, the first waterfall is much steeper on one than another.
Interesting ...
The obverse dies are also different.