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Picked up a type 1 cert. Updated with my photos.

relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 23, 2022 5:35PM in U.S. Coin Forum

1936 proof.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,216 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was YOU!
    I was monitoring that auction all week.
    Nice catch picking it up as a proof.

    Do you also like the 1936 Walker the same seller is offering?

    peacockcoins

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe the cert number CO160 means it was the 160th coin graded after ANACS moved to Colorado.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,678 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Primo

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    I believe the cert number CO160 means it was the 160th coin graded after ANACS moved to Colorado.

    Doesn't it include the envelope from Washington DC?

    I asked CaptHenway and he thought they should have designated proof and find it unlikely they would have missed that for both the cent and half with different mail dates. The half picture I could not match anything with the picture and the inside edge looks rounded more than I feel comfortable bidding on.

    I hope you get a proof cent and not a polished one, although the type 1 cert value in itself with identifiable coin from picture could be worth that much. The spot above the BE on the coin and cert picture match.

  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2022 9:52PM

    @davewesen said:

    Doesn't it include the envelope from Washington DC?

    I asked CaptHenway and he thought they should have designated proof and find it unlikely they would have missed that for both the cent and half with different mail dates. The half picture I could not match anything with the picture and the inside edge looks rounded more than I feel comfortable bidding on.

    I hope you get a proof cent and not a polished one, although the type 1 cert value in itself with identifiable coin from picture could be worth that much. The spot above the BE on the coin and cert picture match.

    Yes , i noticed that too . It does match the certificate .

    The walker half i am not sure it matches certificate . Hard to tell from the pics and all the toning on the coin .
    Some are bidding up 1936 Walker as though it is a proof . Not an expert on those but does not look like a proof to me for the reasons you stated .
    The winner will likely be disappointed with the half .

    There are more of these certificates out there . I saw a pic of a Chain Cent with one of these certificates that sold at auction a couple (?) of years ago .

  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭

    Half is up to $960 now ?

  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,154 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's cool. I have never seen one of those for sale. Glad you got it.
    Jim


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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "There are more of these certificates out there . I saw a pic of a Chain Cent with one of these certificates that sold at auction a couple (?) of years ago ."

    In general photo certificates can still be found. I used to see 10 or so a week on Ebay, now it is more like one a week. Type 1 certs are very scarce. I've been collecting certs for over 15 years and I've seen 6 or 7 including these two.

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please show us the coin once you get it and let us know your assessment of it.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Please show us the coin once you get it and let us know your assessment of it.

    +1

    Yes , please do .

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ChrisH821 said:
    Please show us the coin once you get it and let us know your assessment of it.

    Will do.

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are my photos.

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  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    Here are my photos.

    Thanks for the update .
    Do you think it will straight grade as a proof ?
    The previous owner called it polished on holder .

    I had interest in the 1936 Walker but i highly doubt it is a true proof .
    It did sell for proof $ .
    The walker may have been polished and that explains the shiny appearance in pics .

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1peter1223 said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    Here are my photos.

    Thanks for the update .
    Do you think it will straight grade as a proof ?
    The previous owner called it polished on holder .

    I had interest in the 1936 Walker but i highly doubt it is a true proof .
    It did sell for proof $ .
    The walker may have been polished and that explains the shiny appearance in pics .

    Just shot some quick photos, need to look at the coin under a loop. It does have mirrored surfaces and I do believe it to be a proof. Haven't checked any die diagnostics yet though.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh dear……

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    I believe the cert number CO160 means it was the 160th coin graded after ANACS moved to Colorado.

    Done in D.C.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    I believe the cert number CO160 means it was the 160th coin graded after ANACS moved to Colorado.

    Done in D.C.

    Must have been shortly before the move. Didn't ANACS move in the spring of 1976?

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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1peter1223 said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    Here are my photos.

    Thanks for the update .
    Do you think it will straight grade as a proof ?
    The previous owner called it polished on holder .

    I had interest in the 1936 Walker but i highly doubt it is a true proof .
    It did sell for proof $ .
    The walker may have been polished and that explains the shiny appearance in pics .

    I bid the 36 half up to $1000. Just wasn't comfortable going any higher with those photos. My thought, if the cent was a proof, the half was also likely a proof from the same proof set.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was my thought as well, but seeing your cent ... it does not look like the brilliant version or the satin version. The rim edges are not square, what diagnostics are you going to look for?

    Anyway, the coin definitely matches the picture and with the envelope to the sellers dad in decent condition the package could be worth $500.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2022 7:17PM

    No. Everybody at ANACS DC was fired at the Summer convention in NYC. John Hunter was hired back, Ed Fleischman was hired away from Coin World and they restarted ANACS in Colorado Springs in late September or so with number E-0001-A.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    That was my thought as well, but seeing your cent ... it does not look like the brilliant version or the satin version. The rim edges are not square, what diagnostics are you going to look for?

    Anyway, the coin definitely matches the picture and with the envelope to the sellers dad in decent condition the package could be worth $500.

    I think it is the brilliant version. I'm guessing with the low mintage, there was only one die pair used for all of them. The rims are quite sharp probably not so in my photos, it's a hammered strike and has mirrors. I'll try and get better photos tomorrow.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @relicsncoins said:
    Here are my photos.

    Cannot be sure of anything from those photos. I have a suspicion that the coin was whizzed. It may have been polished as well. It needs to be examined in hand by somebody with experience in whizzed coins.

    From what I know of the early days of ANACS, if it was a Proof coin ANACS would have put that on the certificate.

    BTW, in the last few years of ANACS in DC, they used three different ledger books on a day-to-day rotation to log coins in, give them numbers, and log them out when returned. One book gave A numbers, one gave B numbers and the other C numbers. Thus everything opened up on Monday might get an A number, while the B and C ledgers were being used by somebody else to process and/or return coins. On Tuesday the person opening mail used the B book, etc. On Thursday coins got A numbers, and so on and so on.

    When ANACS moved to Colorado Springs, nobody was sure that D numbers had not been used so they skipped D and went to E numbers. Ed Fleischmann invented the letter-numbernumbernumbernumber-letter format inspired by the numbering of U.S. currency at the time. The suffix went up to Z and then the prefix changed.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the cert number of C0160, it was probably one of the first 500 coins that went through the operation ... that is cool.

  • 1peter12231peter1223 Posts: 131 ✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    With the cert number of C0160, it was probably one of the first 500 coins that went through the operation ... that is cool.

    No it does not .

    I have 1975 Dated type 1 ANACS certificates with higher numbers than that .

  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1peter1223 said:

    @davewesen said:
    With the cert number of C0160, it was probably one of the first 500 coins that went through the operation ... that is cool.

    No it does not .

    I have 1975 Dated type 1 ANACS certificates with higher numbers than that .

    Read the captain's post above, he explains the cert numbers well.

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