Top pop gold CAC
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4 total gold CAC for this year/MM. This is a 1/0 in gold.
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At the risk of sounding a bit crass, this is where the excitement of CAC doesn't speak to me. This is a Pop 1/0 with a gold sticker at CAC, but at NGC, there are 193/46/4 respectively in 66/67/68, and I haven't looked at the PCGS pops. As photographed, in my opinion the toning doesn't look particularly appealing. I get that the sticker is rare and perhaps the coin should trade as a 66 or 67, but the lack of gold stickers seems more like an indication that PCGS and NGC generally get the grades right (in CAC's opinion) than anything else.
This one is tied for top gold CAC pop.
Kind of agree with @airplanenut on this one. As has been mentioned before, CAC has only gold stickered_ three _1921 peace dollars: A 62, a 63, and a 64--and nothing higher.
But they've green stickered another 300 examples above that single 64, including a couple of 67s.
So either CAC is pretty tough (true), or the TPGs are pretty reliable on grades for the 1921s (true), or both (true).
I like @AlanSki 's early generation holder, and I like gold CACs. But if there is an abundance of green or even not-CAC'd examples in higher grades and in older slabs? With greater eye-appeal?
That said: You can easily find a higher graded buffalo. But...
--Severian the Lame
Are there any coins that are top pop and also gold CAC? Now that would be something!
The more interesting corollary question: if you had a top pop that gold CACed, would you be better off leaving it or resubmit it for the upgrade?
Given the top pop game, I doubt there are many top pops that haven't been resubmitted until they maxed out making a gold CAC impossible.
This is the first one that comes to mind:
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?hdnJumpToLot=1&saleNo=1208 &lotNo=5536&x=0&y=0
Yes, I had that coin in mind as well. It is the only 67+RB although there are a couple of 67+ RDs. No 68s for any color designation so that counts!
I have one. An 1825 half cent MS 65BN OGH Gold CAC. Top pop is MS65+, but if Gold CAC is correct then it should be an MS66 making it top pop for the grade.
Sorry, if yours is a 65 and there’s a 65+ out there, yours isn’t a top pop (with or without a gold sticker).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I'm pretty sure CAC doesn't look at the 65+ as a 65+ but just as a 65. That + is a pcgs and ngc thing that was incorporated something like 10 or so years Ago. I'm sure you know that already though. The gold 65 cac would likely sell for triple the non cac 65+ which is the goal of having a CAC certified coin.
I don’t doubt that a gold CAC 65 would sell for substantially more than a non-stickered 65+.
However, david3142 asked “Are there any coins that are top pop and also gold CAC?” And Inspired70 replied “I have one. An 1825 half cent MS 65BN OGH Gold CAC. Top pop is MS65+, but if Gold CAC is correct then it should be an MS66 making it top pop for the grade.”
Regardless of how nice, deserving or valuable his coin is, it’s not “top pop”. So he doesn’t have “one” that qualifies for the answer to the question that was asked.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If the fluffery fluffs up a fluffy coin than that’s great and it typically bring all the fluff. If the fluffery is garnishing a normal piece, than the people who pay the fluffiest prices are easily lead and missing the point
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
But is a 65+ truly a higher grade than a 65 or just a nicer coin with better eye appeal of the same grade?
I'm thinking technical grade vs. Aesthetic appeal since I do know a plus grade is obviously considered a bump up. (I believe I have seen an NGC with a double plus at some point in time if my memory is correct.)
Interesting point. Perhaps led would be correct versus Pb. That said, lead is soft and malleable, and maybe that is your nod to fluffy.
I stand corrected Mark. Perhaps someday I will crack out the OGH and test the validity of the Gold Bean to see if can in fact make a 66 grade. Thank you for the input.
Or you could do a plus-only reconsideration, get a 65+ and still get the gold sticker back!
Either way, I’d love to see the coin. I’m sure it’s a beaut.
If the coin were mine, I’d leave it as is and enjoy it thoroughly. It sounds like a keeper!
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes, a 65+ is truly a higher grade than a 65. It might or might not also be a nicer coin with better eye appeal.😉
NGC does not award double plus grades. Perhaps you saw a plus grade coin which also received a “Star” (for extra eye appeal) from NGC.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Here is the coin. I only have a picture of the obverse at this moment. The OGH case has been abused over the years, but the coin is nice.
Awesome coin! I’d take the gold cac 65 over a 65+ Cac reject every single day of the week.
I think it is farcical calling this a top pop. Even if we include only CAC coins, there are certainly coins finer than MS66 with stickers.
The best attribute of that slab is the gold sticker. The coin is fugly.
While the coin isn’t quite a “top pop”, there aren’t any 1825 Half Cents (designated BN, RB or RD) graded higher than 65+. Translation - contrary to what you posted, there are none “finer than MS66 with stickers”. “Top pop” doesn’t typically refer to different dates or series of coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I assumed he was talking about the Boone in MS65 in the original post but it certainly isn’t clear this far down in the thread.
I’m referencing the Boone commemorative half. What I meant is if there are CAC 67 coins with green stickers, I think it is misguided to call a 65 gold CAC “top pop.”
Thanks for the clarification.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I’m sorry for any ambiguity. I read the initial post and didn’t read through the rest of the posts as I doubted the rest of the thread would make a difference. I don’t understand the logic of segregating green CAC coins from gold CAC coins when determining CAC top pop status. For counting gold CAC coins I can see taking the label grade plus one grading interval but anything more is purely speculative.
Admittedly this issue pops up in a non CAC context for cooper color designation and CAM/DCAM designations but I think those situations are more ambiguous and can understand treating them separately. I think we would all agree that a 68 green CAC (CAC pop 1 for the 1935 Boone half) is better than a 65 gold CAC for instance but by the OP’s logic the 65 would still be deserving of “top pop status.”
Lovely coin! I wouldn’t crack it personally. I think the older holder shows stability and adds to the coin’s allure.
Thanks @cameonut2011! I always enjoy looking at this coin regardless of holder or bean color. Part of being an avid collector I guess. Appreciate the kind remark.