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doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

Kyler Murray is making news, he deleted everything to do with the Cardinals on his social media account, he unfollowed the Cardinals and he deleted all of his Cardinals team photos and only left two photos on his account, one photo of him at the Pro Bowl and one photo of him at Oklahoma.

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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting indeed.

    Cardinals QB Kyler Murray’s cryptic behavior hints at trouble in Arizona

    This may or may not mean anything at all, but it’s certainly going to make a lot of people notice when a starting quarterback erases virtually every fingerprint of his team’s brand on his own social media account. This is the case right now with Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray, who has seemingly unfollowed and removed anything related to the Cards from his official Instagram account (h/t Redditor BagRight8939).

    Murray only has two images left on his Instagram account. There’s nothing about the Cardinals on the pictures left nor on his bio. What remains are a 2018 image of Murray about his Heisman Trophy win and a much more recent uploaded picture of the Cardinals signal-caller and Dallas Cowboys wide receiver CeeDee Lamb during the Pro Bowl.

    With 1.3 million Instagram followers, Murray could not have made the decision to remove Cardinals content on his account thinking that it would go unnoticed.

    Murray and the Cardinals are coming off a disappointing season even though they managed to make the playoffs where they got eliminated in the Wild Card by the Super Bowl 56-bound Los Angeles Rams. Murray’s cryptic social media decision might have something to do with that or with his current situation with respect to his contract. Murray has one more year left on his deal, so perhaps he is sending signals about what he wants from the Cardinals from a contract negotiation perspective.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think he's playing mind games with the Cardinals, that's right......mind games.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no idea, well, actually I do, why ANYBODY gives any thought to Murray. He is mediocre at best.....I have watched him play in every game he has been in against the Rams. I drive to Phoenix and watch him play there against various opponents. I've been at Niner/Cardinal games in Santa Clara. I was at one Cardinal/Seahawks game in Seattle.... NOTHING about him is impressive. Win or lose. Kyler Murray= Kordell Stewart......it's all hype......bottom line......the Cardinals are looking for a new quarterback...... I hope they don't find one.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If he were to leave he would be become the highest paid QB in the QB starved NFL. I'd bet a ton on that

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2022 5:04PM

    @Justacommeman said:
    If he were to leave he would be become the highest paid QB in the QB starved NFL. I'd bet a ton on that

    m

    Mark, I beg to differ. In my opinion, the NFL has a tremendous group of young up and coming quarterbacks.....Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, and Mahomes, etc. And Goff....buried in Detroit now like Stafford was..... you know what I mean. Those kids are going to be great!....I love it! Murray is not among those guys..... Not the same caliber. That shootout between Allen and Mahomes was all-time GREAT!.... I think that we have just seen the greatest NFL playoff season ever! Because of all the good young quarterbacks! Forget the old guys. The future is the young kids. The NFL is set! Lot's of good young quarterbacks! All coming up at the same time! It's a good thing!

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭✭✭

    fire hydrant you are being quite hyperbolic. perhaps you inhaled a nasty sofi weenie a touch too quickly and are feeling a little loopy now, idk. i certainly didn't hear any of this bum talk from you when Arizona made the turn undefeated and Kyler was looking up at no one in the league MVP hierarchy. i do see eye-to-eye with you when it comes to his durability, however. for the second consecutive season he has gotten dinged about halfway through and has been a shell of himself the rest of the way. but he is not the problem. when he's healthy and his teammates are as well, the Cardinals do things like put the beatdown on your favorite team in your favorite team's house. you know, that same team representing the NFC in the game taking place this coming weekend. does 10/3/21 ring a bell?

    if you're interested in expanding your mind, look below. that's a very healthy sample size. a very healthy sample size conveying a track record of futility at the most inopportune time. as a season progresses and things start to veer from the intended path, as they often do in the National Football League, it's Kliff Kingbury's job to right the ship by doing things like instilling a next-guy-up mentality. does it look like he has done an effective job of that in his coaching career? not only is it crystal clear that he has no idea what to do when things go south, but one has to wonder how the hell he got an NFL HC gig in the first place.

    and on top of that, one also has to wonder where exactly his focus lies. read the other thread i created today. in a game against your Rams, an hour before kickoff he was calling McVay to see if he could get his hands on some field passes for his little euro instagram hottie. calling the opposing team's HC. an hour before the game. asking for a favor. for his woman.

    the optics look awfully bad to me. what say you?

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  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2022 5:49PM

    @Hydrant said:
    In my opinion, the NFL has a tremendous group of young up and coming quarterbacks.....Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, and Mahomes, etc. And Goff

    Lawrence has not proven himself yet perhaps bc of the situation in Jville. Let's talk about it next year at this time.

    Goff? Goff? You be drinkin' the Ram cool aid my son.......... He had a couple very good seasons with LA, but his total CV is pretty much an average to slightly above average starting QB in the NFL - see below. AHBM, thems 4 are the future. Lawrence, we will see.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2022 6:08PM

    @hydrant

    The following teams need a starting QB:

    Denver
    Pittsburgh
    Cleveland
    Indianapolis
    Carolina
    Washington
    Tampa
    New Orleans
    Atlanta

    Anyone of those teams will make him the top paid QB. Not enough QB's to go around.

    Heck, even Miami might want to make a change from Tua. The Giants with Jones. Detroit will draft a QB this year and he will replace Goff in 2023. Houston may decide to roll with Davis Mills but they could be in the market as well.

    mark

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2022 6:48PM

    Galaxy, I will reply to your post in detail later. After I sober-up from eating my last SoFfi Weenie. They are bad! As for me being "LOOPY", brother, you got that right! But it's not from eating hot dogs.....it's just the way I am! From birth! LOOPY is a congenital issue that I deal with every day.... My mother knew it at delivery! Poor woman.....If she was still alive she would whole heartedly agree with you! Ask anybody who has ever had the unfortunate experience of knowing me! They will agree with you. ...LOOPY doesn't quite cover it....it goes way deeper...ANYWAY.....I can't help it that the Rams are going to the Super Bowl.......I apologize for it on behalf of myself and the entire Rams organisation. We all feel bad about it! The team did it on their own without asking permission.... I know it bothers people but I was helpless to stop it. ......I love you BROTHER!

  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see Murray as an improvement in Cleveland. A lateral move at best.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2022 7:59PM

    @Brick said:
    I don't see Murray as an improvement in Cleveland. A lateral move at best.

    I respectively strongly disagree. Not even close IMHO

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  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kyler Murray has been successful at every level despite his diminutive stature. And his NFL success has been huge, although currently viewed through the modern lens he might look like a failure.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,581 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kyler Murray is a top tier QB.

    Are we even in a discussion about him not being top tier? Never mind talking about him playing elsewhere since he is under contract.

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:
    Kyler Murray is a top tier QB.

    Are we even in a discussion about him not being top tier? Never mind talking about him playing elsewhere since he is under contract.

    I have to disagree but won’t be proven correct for a few years. QB types like Murray and Jackson will last a few years in the NFL because they’re fun, flashy and the NFL loves the hype. Unfortunately durability and injuries will shorten their career and effectiveness. Look at the injuries both have had. Jackson was out the last 4 games and his team failed to make the playoffs. Murray has been dinged and ineffective 2 seasons in a row.
    A few years and half a step and linebackers start catching them. Fun?
    Absolutely. QB’s of the future? Nope. Give me a Brady or Rodgers type and I’ll be a super Bowl contender every year

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,581 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:

    @perkdog said:
    Kyler Murray is a top tier QB.

    Are we even in a discussion about him not being top tier? Never mind talking about him playing elsewhere since he is under contract.

    I have to disagree but won’t be proven correct for a few years. QB types like Murray and Jackson will last a few years in the NFL because they’re fun, flashy and the NFL loves the hype. Unfortunately durability and injuries will shorten their career and effectiveness. Look at the injuries both have had. Jackson was out the last 4 games and his team failed to make the playoffs. Murray has been dinged and ineffective 2 seasons in a row.
    A few years and half a step and linebackers start catching them. Fun?
    Absolutely. QB’s of the future? Nope. Give me a Brady or Rodgers type and I’ll be a super Bowl contender every year

    The difference is that Murray is a FAR better passer than Jackson though

  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @2dueces said:

    @perkdog said:
    Kyler Murray is a top tier QB.

    Are we even in a discussion about him not being top tier? Never mind talking about him playing elsewhere since he is under contract.

    I have to disagree but won’t be proven correct for a few years. QB types like Murray and Jackson will last a few years in the NFL because they’re fun, flashy and the NFL loves the hype. Unfortunately durability and injuries will shorten their career and effectiveness. Look at the injuries both have had. Jackson was out the last 4 games and his team failed to make the playoffs. Murray has been dinged and ineffective 2 seasons in a row.
    A few years and half a step and linebackers start catching them. Fun?
    Absolutely. QB’s of the future? Nope. Give me a Brady or Rodgers type and I’ll be a super Bowl contender every year

    The difference is that Murray is a FAR better passer than Jackson though

    Hopkins made him look better. Jackson hasn’t had a true #1. Murray didn’t fair very well after Hopkins went down. I can’t disagree that Murray is a better passer though.
    Here’s the goal post for every QB. Can they lead a team to victory all by themselves. Can they put a team on their shoulders when everything else fails?
    How many QB’s would you put in that category?

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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2022 5:02AM

    when Murray is completely healthy things are very good for the Cardinals. but when he gets dinged up & in essence becomes one-dimensional, and some of his key cogs are experiencing the same, then the entire team looks at each other wondering what they should do now. next they look at the coach and he's like, "don't look at me, idk wtf to do. besides, i'm thinking about my girlfriend." a jeckyll and hyde team if there ever was one.

    remember the plane gif i posted around Christmas? that was funny to some, but in all seriousness that's what AZ's season turned into. they were spiraling at warp speed toward earth and it was only a matter of time until there was a mushroom cloud. well, that happened in the playoffs when Kyler threw that flailing underhanded pee wee pass out of his own end zone for the easiest pick 6 in the history of football. worst pass i have ever seen in all my years of watching football. if he never makes a decision like that again it'll be too soon.

    next season should be interesting. until that team learns how to effectively deal with adversity, it'll probably be more of the same

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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kliff Kingsbury is nothing more than a Ryan Gosling wannabe.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2dueces said:

    @perkdog said:
    Kyler Murray is a top tier QB.

    Are we even in a discussion about him not being top tier? Never mind talking about him playing elsewhere since he is under contract.

    I have to disagree but won’t be proven correct for a few years. QB types like Murray and Jackson will last a few years in the NFL because they’re fun, flashy and the NFL loves the hype. Unfortunately durability and injuries will shorten their career and effectiveness. Look at the injuries both have had. Jackson was out the last 4 games and his team failed to make the playoffs. Murray has been dinged and ineffective 2 seasons in a row.
    A few years and half a step and linebackers start catching them. Fun?
    Absolutely. QB’s of the future? Nope. Give me a Brady or Rodgers type and I’ll be a super Bowl contender every year

    The irony is that Jackson's injury came on a completed pass to Mark Andrews

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  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't he a baseball player also? Not that it matters with MLB on lockdown.

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  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think Houston is going to roll with Davis Mills next year. Two reasons, first to see if his potential translates into future success - he is clearly very smart and nothing shakes him - his arm is good enough, kind of a Joe Montana intellectual type that will execute well; second, because they are going to be bad anyway, they can afford to wait for a better qb if he turns out not to be the one so I suspect they will spend their draft capital on key defense players (Thibodeaux?) and hopefully OL and RBs in the upcoming draft. The certainly would not use that capital for a guy like Murray, even if Watson deal is with AZ.

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