1st ED Charizard
ccmorgan
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I promised you guys I'd post pics when I got it graded so here's some eye candy.
I know this isn't up everyone's alley But I bought this card 22+ years ago when my son was a young tike and pokemon was what him and his friends worshipped long ago. Had this one and others tucked away since then. Still have 100+ cards in near mint condition.
Still have a base II charizard at PSA probably a 7-8 (I hope) and a 1st edition rocket dark charizard 7-8 both at the $100 grade price which is up to $1,499 in value. I'll post those when I get them back.
Love the 1885-CC Morgan
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whats something like that worth nowadays?
PSA lists it at $10k.
Looks better than a 7 to me.
wow. i guess that is a serious card.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Has edge issues, look at the top of the back.
Looks like my assessment was spot on when I said it would top out at a PSA 7! One just sold for $7652. The PSA price has no relevance, ignore that column.
What service level did you submit this card at? Did they upcharge you?
Congrats on the grade.
2-3 to a 3.5 million dollar case.
@ccmorgan Wow!!! The card looks great in a PSA holder. Thanks so much for taking the time to share it.
Also I think it is great that you shared your story. Collecting often finds its roots based in the connection made between parents and children over something that developed in their early years (sports, music, academics, hobbies). In many of those instances a parent saves an item that over time becomes iconic to that period. And even if that item ends up having no monetary value, it lives on as a testament to their time spent together.
I’m happy that you found such an item, and that you used the insights of those collectors that came before you (specifically here in the PSA forum) to choose to protect that item so that it can be treasured going forward.
Great job!
Live long, and prosper.
Yes I was watching that card on ebay and a couple others just to get an idea of it's true value. Some may go higher and or lower. It depends on who is willing to drop that much change on a card, but it happens.
I'm aware of the "list" prices on cards. PCGS has their list prices on morgan silver dollars which I love especially the '85-CC morgan. Only 228,000 minted and that coin in all grades is somewhat expensive and close in value. When buying that coin it's better to put down a couple hundred more to get a pristine example. But that's another story.
I submitted @ $600 walk through level because I figured a 7 also after you and other's gave your opinion on it and I looked at PSA grading criteria and 7's and 8's on ebay. I was hoping there weren't any scratches that I couldn't see that might knock it down to a 6. I figured a 9 at first before I noticed the slight edge flaking that you guys pointed out. It's not something a rookie like myself looks for in a card and it looks like a non issue but in the card world I've just learned that the slightest issue has a big impact on grading. Difficult to see with the naked eye, at least my eyes anyway. lol It was in the hard case holder in the closet for 22ish years.
Glad I took care of it after all these years.
The $300 level is for cards up to $4,999 in value so I decided to go $600 because of the value of a 7 card.
I guess they put a priority on cards that someone pays $600 to have graded. I mailed it on the 18th, they received it on the 20th and I got it back on the 27th. That was way faster than the months I was guessing from stories I read about their backlog of cards to be graded.
I Think I might sell it because I'm not a card collector. I'm more into coins but I've learned not to go to crazy on things like that because more often than not you can lose money. Now I'm old and want to get rid of things I cherished over the years simply because I just have too much stuff including many items from my late father and grandfather that I don't want to haul with me when I retire and move to a warmer climate soon.
Thanks for sharing the back story with this card....that's what makes this so special. The eventual sale price is just the icing on the cake. Congrats!
Looked up the cert number and PSA has better pics. Notice the minor flaking top and bottom.
https://www.psacard.com/cert/63784931
I wish I knew what PSA uses to scan cards... they look amazing.
Great card, congrats!
It't probably a camera, not a scanner.
I read a story a couple months ago about a PSA 10 that auctioned for $200,000+ then though no friggin way.
Thought about the cards we/my son saved 20+ holo cards that we put in flexible sleeves right out of the pack.
I knew the 1st ed charizard was the most coveted and after reading about one going for over 200k that's when the research began. I figured all of the holos would be worth something but there all non 1st ed holos. Oh well that's my luck except for the 1st charizard. It's about time something paid off with all the things I bought over the years.
Wish I had the tops baseball cards from the late 60s and early 70s that we bought just for the gum then clothes pinned the cards to the bicycle frame because the sound it made hitting the spokes when riding was somewhat like a motor cycle.
That's a horrible thought.....
So why is the shadowless so much more expensive? It must be more rare? Is it an error?
BTW nice card.
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@Ahmanfan When they stopped producing the 1st edition cards on the base set, they began the production run of the unlimited set. They added a shadow to the box around the picture. But before that shadow was added some boxes of the non-1st editions shadowless were released. So they are tough to find. And that adds to their value.
Live long, and prosper.
Beautiful card and I love its sentimentality for you!
I agree. A classic. It's like the equivalent to the Saint Gaudens gold coin.
Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
Sentimental value and REAL value........can't beat that
Only unlimited shadowless cards go for a premium. Calling 1st edition cards shadowless is misleading.
I have always believed that 1st edition cards had the shadows. But, this guy says they dont ^^^.
As long as we're on the subject I have this 3 ring binder I bought long ago to put cards in.
Probably not worth squat but it's dated on the back cover and still in excellent condition.
Ehh... So it's not really misleading to say a Base Set 1st Edition is Shadowless. 1.) because they are shadowless. 2.) There is the 1st Edition Base Set Machamp that comes in both Shadowless and Shadow versions (there actually is NOT a non-1st edition version of this card). 3.) All the foreign 1st Edition Base Set versions have shadows, so this actually helps in eBay searches so you don't pull up non-English 1st editions.
Lastly, no one uses the term unlimited with shadowless cards, as shadowless cards ARE limited. The cards with shadows are unlimited.
Shadowless cards are from the Unlimited print run. It's a CCG or TCG term. Like MTG. Alpha Beta Unlimited Revised. It's the same with Pokemon. Same manufacturer. Same terminology. It may even say it on the packs.
Not long ago boxes of this stuff were real cheap and you couldn't sell Pokemon cards if you wanted to. Now that people are a little more interested folks who have only been paying attention a couple years seem to be rewriting the books.
Let's rephrase, Shadowless cards were intended to be THE unlimited run, but after initial printing, a shadow was added and the newer version was printed in amounts far greater than the shadowless. Plus it is defacto terminology in the Pokemon world that shadowless cards are NOT considered unlimited, as the printing ended up being limited.. Unlmiited ONLY refers to English Base Set cards that are NOT 1st Edition and NOT shadowless...
Alpha and Beta are part of the LImited MTG print run. Beta was created to correct errors in the limited print run.
All of the good information on Pokemon has been buried by noobs. Shadowless cards are part of the Unlimited print run. There are no Shadowless errors in the Limited Pokemon print run. I don't believe there are Pokemon print runs other than Limited and Unlimited.
I think the Machamp that you're talking about was a promo that was sent out in a clear sealed bag with a booklet. It never came in packs. It was likely printed on a sheet of its own.
We talking Pokemon, not Magic the Gathering, stay in your lane
You are not a "CardGeek", you are a "CardGenius"
Thanks for the "edjucation" 