Another PSA grading mistake exposed... T206 Wagner
SammyC
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A pretty interesting video that exposed a poorly altered t206 and got encapsulated. By looking at the case and label, that T206 Wagner card was graded long long time ago and not graded by those recent young college kids nor grading in a rush. They just simply don't look at all. LOL.
Will PSA buy back card like this? let's say someone really successfully sold the card as an expensive variation card, will PSA buy it back?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ph_y5hQw00
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Can't understand the guy.
I wonder how many fakes the guy has in his ungraded collection .......................
it's a mistake. it happens, they get corrected. better than buying a bunch of trimmed cards and potential fakes. how many times do estates go to sell collections and find out there were fakes and altered cards littered throughout the collection, answer = a lot.
I couldn't finish watching the video because of the sound.
I already knew that everyone makes mistakes.
If you are going to criticize someone else's job performance maybe yours shouldn't stink while doing it.
The label on his Wagner card doesn't look legit. He either made that slab to disparage PSA for whatever reason, or he bought a really bad fake. The spacing of the words on the label look nothing like any past labels. Besides, why do you think he's covering the cert number on the Wagner and not the other two slabs he used as comparisons? He also never shows the back of the Wagner. I call BS.
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I don't think that card is fake, it is a real t206 but just altered. I think he bought the card thinking it was a legit variation. And now, he doesn't want PSA to take that mistake out of the database that's why he doesn't show the cert #. I bet he wants to sell it off as a PSA grading mistake card down the line. I think there are people buy those "errors".
The ten foot PVC pipe he was talking through sure didn't help the watchability. The label is legit, I have plenty from that PSA era. They grade millions of cards, mistakes happen. Get over it and do something productive.
If a card is in good shape and authentic but has writing on it, does that automatically mean it cant have a number grade?
I know I have seen posts about pencil marks on cards being docked points instead of being deemed altered.
I'm not sure what the mistake is here. It doesn't seem to be listed in the database as a variation.
I have noticed that PSA tends to label cards as whatever I write in the description when I submit instead of taking the time to actually do research and ID. That kinda bothers me because I'm paying them for the ID, which may or may not require research, as well as the holder. Research and ID is actually where my cards spent the majority of their time at PSA according to their web site. I also saw another thread in the past couple days where the poster says PSA doesn't guarantee the ID. Like, if they mislabel something they wont fix it.
Couldn't agree more with the bad audio..... from scanning thru some of his other videos, he does know t206s. He doesn't send his cards for grading and against having graded cards, i would suggest him to just pop out all of his graded cards. LOL
He says in the video he's hiding the cert number because he doesn't want the card removed from the database. I can understand him fine. He's not shooting for prime time.
It depends on what era you submit cards with writing and who was the grader, i believe 10 to 15 yrs ago PSA would still encapsulate those cards but with (MK) beside numeric grade. But submissions in recent years, PSA would just return those cards ungraded and state they are "altered" and keep the grading fees as well.
His card definitely wasn't a variation. I think he was bitching PSA encapsulated that card and assigned a numeric grade without (MK) nor possibly shouldn't even grade the card at all.
PSA won't do research on submission nowaday, if they don't know, they just return the card or claim as trimmed and keep the fee.
No audio issues for me. Could be a fake slab - but seriously doubt the creator made the fake. There are many collectors who still do not like TPGs. My brother is one of them - his only graded cards are the ones I buy him as gifts and tell him to crack-out. He is working on a high grade ‘67 set and I find it easier (and often cheaper) to buy them already graded. I tell him to crack them out and I think he will once the set is finished so they can go in the binder.
My point is some people espouse raw cards and there is nothing wrong with that. If this slab is part of why for this collector I understand that.
I could understand him fine as well. The PSA holder is 100% legit - just an older variation.
It is definitely a mistake on PSA's part, but not a big money card or anything. Many might assume were talking about a Honus by the title of the thread. This is a $100 card without the writing.
When you handle millions of cards every year - there will be some mistakes...
If you go by their website, as of today they have that card valued at $25. Long ago I had a T206 Heinie Wagner and I think I sold it for $15. The title by the OP leads you to believe it's Honus. Good catch!
Definitely clickbait as well by putting t206 Wagner in the title. That wasn't an accident. I find it very nice of him to spend his hard earned money to buy cards like this just to get them off the market so uneducated buyers don't get taken advantage of. Must be nice to have that much disposable cash laying around that you can spend it so little Jimmy doesn't get disappointed. end sarcasm
I think their price list is from 10 yrs ago. $25 can't even buy a POOR condition T206 nowaday.
Pretty disingenuous thread title if you ask me (I know, nobody did)
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I was thinking of asking you so you're good.
Agree 100%.
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This Half Wagner could be a grading mistake too. LOL Who own the other half???
https://scpauctions.com/1909-11-t206-honus-wagner-psa-authentic-the-hobbys-holy-grail/
Interesting that that was the second card graded after the Gretzky Honus.
The audio isn't high quality, but the sound itself was audible. His English is not perfect, but it's not that bad. Probably ESL. I won't assume why you presented that the way you did.
I quit watching after he explained the issue with the card. Looks like he spent another 4-5 minutes talking about the same card? Clearly someone altered it. seems like it doesn't deserve a grade of 3 if there is writing, but perhaps it was missed.
In fact, not only one card, that guy actually brought up another t206 brown Lenox back saying grading company won't label those color variation correctly. Also took out a t206 that has overprints and saying grading companies don't label captions correctly and/or missing info and that's why he doesn't grade his cards.