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mr1931S · January 2, 2022 1:36PM

...specifically, early August, 1909. Anyone here who has better researching skills than yours truly, who can help with this, thank you ahead of time.

The question: Who was superintendent of the San Francisco mint in early August, 1909?

Mystery solved thanks to board members here with their help. Last post by me in this thread adds John D. Daggett (of 1894-S dime fame) as superintendent of SF mint 1893-1897. John Daggett was Frank Leach's immediate predecessor.

JWP · January 2, 2022 2:05PM

Frank A. leach was the director of the mint from 1906 to 1909. I could not find a superintentlisted. The director of the mint is appointed by the President.

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:08PM

mr1874

airplanenut · January 2, 2022 2:17PM

Might I suggest a thread title that actually describes the question? You may get much better replies if people who may know the answer have a reason to click to open the thread.

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:19PM

Frank A. leach was the director of the mint from 1906 to 1909. I could not find a superintentlisted. The director of the mint is appointed by the President.

You are correct. Frank Leach was superintendent of the SF mint until he was appointed Director of the Mint by president Theodore Roosevelt in 1907. The name of the individual who succeeded Mr. Leach as superintendent of the mint in SF is what I'm trying to find out.

Leach retired from journalism in 1897 to become Superintendent of the San Francisco Mint. In 1907, on the recommendation of United States Secretary of the Treasury George B. Cortelyou, President of the United States Theodore Roosevelt named Leach Director of the United States Mint and Leach held that office from September 1907 until August 1909.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_A._Leach

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:22PM

The Wikipedia article has a discrepency seen in it's first paragraph. Mr. Leach was appointed Director of the Mint in 1907 not 1906. He was superintendent of the SF mint in 1906.

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:29PM

Might I suggest a thread title that actually describes the question? You may get much better replies if people who may know the answer have a reason to click to open the thread.

Good idea. I'll edit the title of this thread now. Thank you.

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:35PM

Maybe Roger Burdette knows. I've got his book from Mine to Mint in my library. The answer might be in there.

WillieBoyd2 · January 2, 2022 2:37PM

(Revised with sources)

Frank Leach was the San Francisco Mint Superintendent until July 1907 when he was appointed Director of the US Mint (all of them).

Edward Sweeny succeeded Mr. Leach as the Superintendent of the San Francisco Mint from July 1907 to August 1912 when he died.

At that time Frank Leach, the previous San Francisco Mint Superintendent, took over the San Francisco Mint again.

Mr. Sweeny appointed Superintendent San Francisco Mint
https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/historical-documents/mint-of-the-united-states-at-san-francisco

Mr. Sweeny died August 1912 as Superintendent San Francisco Mint
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Annual_Report_of_the_Director_of_the_Min/ulLPAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Edward+Sweeny+san+francisco+mint&pg=PA4&printsec=frontcover

jmlanzaf · January 2, 2022 2:40PM

Edward Sweeney?

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:42PM

Edward Sweeny superintendent of the SF mint in 1909. Thank you WillieBoyd2. Do you have a link for this information?

jmlanzaf · January 2, 2022 2:42PM

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/703207/1909-lincoln-cent-die-list-san-francisco-mint

WillieBoyd2 · January 2, 2022 2:48PM

I added my sources to my post above. They spell the superintendent's name as "Sweeny".

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:49PM

mr1874

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 2:55PM

Excellent work, WillieBoyd2 and jmlanzaf. It appears that my basic question has been answered. Thank you both for your help.

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 3:14PM

btw, three dots on my post doesn't necessarily mean I deleted anything although it could. It's a place holder for me sometimes and it also serves to bump my thread to near the top of the page when I order a "Post Comment." While I'm typing a response sometimes I will see that new information/comments are coming in so I want to read that information first before posting a comment hence "the dots." Dots are important to me in this forum so I roll with them. Dots in VDB's? That's another matter. But those dots might be inappropriate to address in this thread. Some would say I need to make a "V.D.B. dot" thread for that.

DCW · January 2, 2022 4:05PM

The dots are incredibly annoying, no offense.
If you want to wait and read other comments, you might consider just waiting to read those comments instead of holding your place in your own thread with an additional post with dots.
Makes no sense 😕

BuffaloIronTail · January 2, 2022 4:35PM

September 20, 1907

Pete

MsMorrisine · January 2, 2022 4:36PM

Use the quote feature instead of the dots

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 4:57PM

mr1874

burfle23 · January 2, 2022 7:53PM

@mr1874 said:
I'm a master expert collector again. How about if the forum robot came up with "collector extraordinaire" for me?
Once again thanks to those who helped me answer my question. The information provided is information I can sink my teeth into.I have nothing further to add so this is my final post here.
mr1874

Wow, you are at it again in another post...

Are you looking for the gentleman who may have clandestinely struck a unique die pair of 1909-S VDB referred to as the "whispering VDB"?

bearcave · January 2, 2022 7:57PM

My final post as well. 🤣

CaptainBlunt · January 2, 2022 8:33PM

Leach August 1, 1897-September 18, 1907
Sweeney September 19, 1907-August 17, 1912
Leach August 23, 1912-August 15, 1913

ifthevamzarockin · January 2, 2022 8:33PM

@burfle23 "Are you looking for the gentleman who may have clandestinely struck a unique die pair of 1909-S VDB referred to as the "whispering VDB"?

That is just one piece of the puzzle, his next thread will be asking for help with a list of names for the bored mint workers.

Steven59 · January 2, 2022 8:39PM

@mr1874 said:
I'm a master ........

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 8:41PM

Leach August 1, 1897-September 18, 1907
Sweeney September 19, 1907-August 17, 1912
Leach August 23, 1912-August 15, 1913

Thank you CaptainBlunt.
mr1874

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 8:49PM

Use the quote feature instead of the dots

ifthevamzarockin · January 2, 2022 9:29PM

@mr1874 said:
btw, three dots on my post doesn't necessarily mean I deleted anything although it could. It's a place holder for me sometimes and it also serves to bump my thread to near the top of the page when I order a "Post Comment." While I'm typing a response sometimes I will see that new information/comments are coming in so I want to read that information first before posting a comment hence "the dots." Dots are important to me in this forum so I roll with them. Dots in VDB's? That's another matter. But those dots might be inappropriate to address in this thread. Some would say I need to make a "V.D.B. dot" thread for that.

If the dots are soo important to you why are you editing your posts on this thread and others to remove the dots and replace them with mr1874?

Just roll with them.

MsMorrisine · January 2, 2022 9:37PM

I see 2 sides toying with each other

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 9:44PM

Changed my mind about using the dots as I was using them after being told it was annoying for me to be doing so. I don't want to annoy folks here so I decided to dump the dots and simply substitute with "mr1874."

mr1931S · January 2, 2022 9:49PM

Sweeny was a judge in Redding California. That is interesting.

ifthevamzarockin · January 2, 2022 10:43PM

@MsMorrisine said:
I see 2 sides toying with each other

I see 1 person toying with the forum and several other members toying back.

mr1874 has upset more than 1 forum member with an active imagination, posting just to run up post counts and get stars, and making a mess of the forum by deleting over 60 silly posts across 5 threads.

Did you miss all of this?

ifthevamzarockin · January 2, 2022 10:51PM

@mr1874 "I don't want to annoy folks here"

A little late for that don't ya think?

mr1931S · January 8, 2022 8:15PM

Superintendents of the San Francisco Mint (1893-1913):

John D. Daggett (1893-1897)
Frank A. Leach (August 1, 1897-September 18, 1907)
Edward Sweeney (September 19, 1907-August 17, 1912)
Frank A. Leach (August 23, 1912-August 15, 1913)

ifthevamzarockin · February 5, 2022 1:18PM

@mr1874 said:
btw, three dots on my post doesn't necessarily mean I deleted anything although it could. It's a place holder for me sometimes and it also serves to bump my thread to near the top of the page when I order a "Post Comment." While I'm typing a response sometimes I will see that new information/comments are coming in so I want to read that information first before posting a comment hence "the dots." Dots are important to me in this forum so I roll with them. Dots in VDB's? That's another matter. But those dots might be inappropriate to address in this thread. Some would say I need to make a "V.D.B. dot" thread for that.

@mr1874 said:
Changed my mind about using the dots as I was using them after being told it was annoying for me to be doing so. I don't want to annoy folks here so I decided to dump the dots and simply substitute with "mr1874."

First it's "dots" to delete then you say they are a placeholder then you use "mr1874" and now you are just using "delete" to make a mess of the forum.

@PCGS_Moderator or @HeatherBoyd Help please!

mr1931S · February 5, 2022 5:30PM

I need to find out more about Edward Sweeney. Part of the problem with historical research is that it is hard to know where to begin sometimes. But I know this. Find the good beginning and oftentimes just doing that to get a running start on the right path will reward the researcher with a wealth of information that might otherwise have eluded the researching one.

Brother and I do have the services of a master geneological researcher available to us. Sometimes one can even find old pictures that have the potential to tell a most compelling story all their own by doing geneological research.

Imagine finding a picture taken of Edward Sweeney, Superintendent of the San Francisco mint in August 1909, handing out freshly struck 1909-S V.D.B. pennies to groups of children assembled around him. The entrepeneurial kid could get a nickel, a dime, sometimes a quarter for one of the new pennies with the designer Victor David Brenner's initials on it.¹

"No need to stand in line, sir. I'll trade you one new 1909-S VDB penny for a quarter dollar."

"Cool. A shiny new 1909-S quarter. Here's your penny, sir. Thank you for the business."

¹ "Victor David Brenner & His Lincoln Cent," article by Joshua McMorrow-Hernandez, April 22, 2020.

mr1931S · February 5, 2022 7:56PM

To Heather Boyd and PCGS Moderator:

I see now that one is in tears and another is boiling mad because of my threads about pennies. So, yeah, please help. I'm okay with you all closing every thread here I have initiated...except... please don't close the Lucky Penny thread...that one means a lot to me to finish up on some imaging of my SVDB for Mr. Newman's inspection. After that is completed, I shall leave these parts forever,

not with a bang
but a whisper.

mr1874

ifthevamzarockin · February 5, 2022 10:46PM

@mr1874 said:
To Heather Boyd and PCGS Moderator:

I see now that one is in tears and another is boiling mad because of my threads about pennies. So, yeah, please help. I'm okay with you all closing every thread here I have initiated...except... please don't close the Lucky Penny thread...that one means a lot to me to finish up on some imaging of my SVDB for Mr. Newman's inspection. After that is completed, I shall leave these parts forever,

not with a bang
but a whisper.

mr1874

.
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Don't close the Lucky Penny thread so I can keep posting photos of my SVDB that is causing all the problems.

Mr. Newman @LanceNewmanOCC already told you what he thought about your coin.
Didn't you read it?
"it sure isn't one of the known 4 positions/dies. too far right, low and tilted. since i haven't seen decent image(s) of the vdb, it is either fake, sandwhich, embossed etc."

J.P. Martin @KOYNGUY also told you what he thought about your coin.
"Added V.D.B. ..... After seeing thousands of 09-s VDB's, I am certain no number 5 die exists."

You have stated it looks like the position for an S no VDB and several other members have confirmed what you are seeing.
Overlays have also been done of your coin on another coin forum and confirm it matches a 1909 S no VDB.
Your coin needs to be sent to PCGS for review, no amount of posts or photos will change that.

It is very disrespectful for you to keep posting a problem coin on our hosts site and not giving them a chance to review the coin. It almost seems like you don't want to resolve the problem or find the answer so that you can keep trolling PCGS on their own site with an error slab. If you wanted to be respectful to our host you should never post another photo of your coin on the site.

I'm sure if you sent Heather a PM asking how to send your coin in for review she will direct you to the proper person to help.
The PCGS customer service experts will do everything they can to make you happy.

mr1931S · February 6, 2022 7:01AM

Once again, you are demonstrating your talent for speaking for others. I'm sure that Heather is fully capable of speaking for herself and PCGS without your help.

This fiasco all started with me, sir, when you impugned my integrity by suggesting publicly that I photoshopped my coin into a genuine PCGS holder. I protested about this to you in a PM. Remember? After indicating that you had no misgivings about doing this you proceeded, in that PM, to tell me that you were going to publicly make a fool out of me. You, sir, are a bully. Where you have screwed up this time is that you have picked on the wrong kid to try and push around.

I'm outta here for good after I am allowed by our host here to post last images of the date and mintmark of my penny in the Lucky Penny thread, the coin that you and others, after YOU BEGGING ME for images of, have certified by committee as counterfeit. All the last picture show is for is to possibly get a more definitive thing established, with Mr. Newman's expert assistance, that to OUR satisfaction, indeed, my coin's obverse matches exactly with die #6, a die previously unknown to have been used for 1909-S VDB.

V.D.B. analysis of my coin is not going to happen here even if I am BEGGED TO STAY after managing to get decent images of the V.D.B. Your cookie cutter analysis paralysis method of authentication by commitee for a coin like mine is not for me.

Jzyskowski1 · February 6, 2022 10:25AM

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“Those meanies on the forum won’t pretend I know everything and and😢 they tell me the truth! Just because there’s multiple folks who have made it clear 😢. I know better!!!
I told the teacher and went to the office and told them too.
I want you to remove all of them from your good list 😢 and I’m taking my toys and going home ( forever!!). Big dummies “😢
Sincerely……

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