Canyon City Coin on Ebay
Che_Grapes
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Beautiful raw coins - they have a really cool way of taking pictures and have a seemingly unlimited supply of cool silver dollars and other coins - even key dates!
However, I have now received another coin back from grading and once again - came back cleaned...!!
Even their 1921 peace dollars - which are fetching big bucks - have had 2 come back cleaned...! On one coin I saw what I thought were die polishing lines but I guess were hairlines... they look beautiful and I’m not unsatisfied with them because they are genuine and uncirculated but they shouldn’t be calling these GEM BU because they are not GEM BU many are actually low mint state or cleaned. Just FYI and be careful out there!!
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I guess the lesson here is don’t pay top dollar for a raw coin! It could have hairlines and won’t grade!
Best of luck to everyone!
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1060323/huh-peace-dollar
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1059839/an-awful-lot-of-original-roll-coins-from-this-seller
and so forth
Don't buy raw coins on eBay unless you know what you're doing.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
This is another one of those questionable threads.
If you can't tell if a coin is cleaned, don't buy raw.
Especially "uncirculated" 1921 Peace Dollars. These guys' photography method and bogus backstory to all these coins should tell you all you need to know about them.
They seem to have a very large following because their auctions get unreasonably high final bids. They are getting rich off the unaware.
They are unethical and you know it.
Collector, occasional seller
@Che_Grapes can you post links to the coins you bought from them?
Collector, occasional seller
That's not my point. I don't trust anyone who oversells an item. But I don't know anything except that they have questionable backstories. I've never seen their coins. They have 100% positive feedback. That's hard to do if you are selling crap.
These threads that name and disparage businesses are against forum rules.
If it's expensive and not slabbed, there's a reason, and it may not be the one presented.
Why pick one of the many sellers who 'spice' up their photos? AS was said: if you buy a raw coin being sold at elevated expense, better know what you are doing. Also, they have a 'free' 30 Day Returns.
For this very reason I have been buying books on grading. Studying every site I can find and have stopped buying. I foolishly thought wam bam learn a little about it and I can grade 😂😂😂
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
The lesson here is to learn how to grade and spot issues before you buy.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
They have a photographic style that maximizes all the positive attributes of a coin and minimizes all the negative attributes. It’s very hard to replicate. It’s kind of the perfect beauty shot. They must have spent a lot of time perfecting it.
If you can’t see the hairlines then you can’t see them. I took the coin in question to several coin experts - including one that teaches coin grading - and he suggested I send it in and did not see the hairlines either. So as much as your note may make you feel better, even you are not that good - with all due respect..!!
I don’t need to be chastised, my point was no matter how “competent” you are at grading coins you can’t do perfectly it from a photograph.
I’m about done with this message board - I just don’t understand all the attitude...
No need to be “done” with us
You’ve had a lot of positive interactions
There’s a lot to be learned from some really knowledgeable people on here
Another thing to keep in mind is that “cleaning” doesn’t always result in hairlines.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If the problem was so minor as to be hard to detect, why are you shaming the seller?
You are definitely correct, however, that you can't accurately grade coins from pictures.
The thought was that the hairlines from a cleaning were hard to detect.
Add what MFeld had to say and there may not be hairlines to see since it could have been cleaned by another method or a good buffing.
You take the time to verify feedback is 100% yet do not view the coins listed nor browse the two other threads posted.
Sooooo…. Che_Grapes … what feedback would you leave today and why?
Also, reporting that a coin came back cleaned from a seller who did not say it was is not against the rules. It is not libelous.
No attitude just truth, my intent is/was not to chastise you and I don't "feel" better about myself. As I did not review the coin for you it is just as likely that I might have or might not have been able to spot the cleaning issue; rather from photos or in hand. The point is that you learned somethings albeit the hard way. You learned that this seller may not be a trusted source for raw coins. You learned that your trusted experts may not be as trustworthy as you think they are. You have found out that asking questions here about the seller or the coin before you bought might have saved you the cost and headache. And you have learned that if you have difficulties spotting issues then it may be best to stick to coins already certified.
A lot to learn from your experience now it is up to you to apply that new knowledge going forward. Just food for thought; perhaps your experts who reviewed the coin were hesitant to be honest if you do not take criticism very well.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
And one thing not explicitly mentioned… gotta know what photographic work is better for grading from pics and what is harder to grade with
Here is the coin:
My pic and their pic: this is the SAME coin: note the lines between the “L” and the “I” in LIBERTY. That’s the hairlines - like I said we thought they were polishing lines... even tho it came back cleaned I still like the coin and it has beautiful luster ...
And I’m not trying to shame the seller - I still like the coin, probably paid too much but it was at auction and so that’s all on me.
No hard feelings to anyone - I was just feeling a little bit feisty I guess.
This is what caused the cleaning grade
So you’re right / I should have seen it ...
Yes, I looked at their listings. Like I said, they are definitely hyping their coins.
According to the OP him/herself, the coin they received looked fine which is why they sent it in to be slabbed. They even claimed that the coin fooled a grading instructor. Yet, here we are, disparaging them publicly.
It shows a cleaning from that dark ring around Lady Liberty
Disparaging? Don’t blame yourself Che_Grapes
I bought a cleaned 21 peace from a coin dealer on eBay. At this time I would have left much deserved negative feedback for not disclosing a problem coin.
It’s not disparaging to expect honesty from sellers and complaints from affected purchasers.
Well for the record I tried to delete the post and it doesn’t seem to be possible...!??
I am not upset with the coin - didn’t expect it to come back cleaned but I am not unhappy with the seller - just to be clear... will think more before posting such a post in the future — I didn’t mean anything negative against the seller!
You can't delete posts - only the mods can do that. You can edit the text if you wish.
Edit the OP title, too for that matter
Although edited op titles will draw more people in rather than keep them away.
it is amazing what can be done with lighting = I try to stick to stuff already graded by sellers like that, they do have nice coins already in slabs