Someone just bought a 1986 Jordan rookie
JordanCollector
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reprint.
For 1800 dollars.
Sly P.O.S. seller put "RP" in the item description but not in the title. Criminal.
Michael Jordan collector of cards and memorabilia for about 30 years.
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Sorry to hear that. This is one of those buy graded only cards in my book.
Nic
Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF
Generally, yup. Do you know if there are reprints that replicate the black dot matrix pattern in the yellow arrow that you can only see really close?
Michael Jordan collector of cards and memorabilia for about 30 years.
Good question. This is not in my wheelhouse. This guide was made by a forum member @bbcemporium
https://bbcemporium.com/index.php?step=counterfeit&step2=michael_jordan
You really need a high res scan of the front and back on this card. I see the listing only had a front image and a poor one at that.
Nic
Guides Authored - Graded Card Scanning Guide PDF | History of the PSA Label PDF
Awesome link. Never seen it before and such a great breakdown. Bookmarked for reference.
Michael Jordan collector of cards and memorabilia for about 30 years.
I guess it’s not surprising that eBay doesn’t police it’s own policies, but that card is among the few that can’t be sold unless graded and can’t be sold as a reprint (although maybe it’s an official reprint vs. homemade): https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/autographed-items-policy?id=4283. Here’s the pertinent section:
Jim
It's just > @burghman said:
Didn't know that as well. Extremely obvious they don't police, but in the same token, THAT'S why sellers seem to love to write something like "I'm not an expert, so that's why I'm listing this card as a reprint. But to my eyes it checks all the boxes it's authentic."
I was wondering why ppl do that for the longest time. Instant red flag. Thanks for the info.
Michael Jordan collector of cards and memorabilia for about 30 years.
Not sure how much (or ever) that actual eBay employees did or do police anything. Years back they relied upon members to report. A select few (myself included) were invited into the EMR (Enhanced Member Reporting) program. Being invited to participate meant eBay identified ones reporting patterns as legitimate and without bias.
''By using the EMR tool, you agree that you will not unfairly target
legitimate listings of competitors or other eBay sellers, and have a
good-faith belief that each and every listing you report is
inauthentic or otherwise violates eBay's policies. If we believe your
participation in the EMR program is creating problems, possible legal
liabilities, or you are acting inconsistently with the letter or
spirit of our policies, we reserve the right to remove you from the
EMR program and/or suspend your eBay account''
I was invited I believe sometime in 2012. And to the best of my knowledge the cards that must be graded policy was put in place sometime along that time as well.
There was zero pay and all 100% voluntary. I did receive two small gifts being a black throw blanket and a water bottle with the eBay logo on them. I spent untold hours in that program and had thousands of listings removed for violations and in 2014 I and others received the following:
"In regards to your participation in the Enhanced Member Reporting Program, we’d like to thank you for your active involvement and contributions to the program.
We have undergone a recent strategy shift. Effective April 1st, 2014 your participation in the EMR program expired. As a result, you will no longer have access to the EMR reporting tool and your account will be routed to the standard reporting flow, available to all eBay members.
Once again, thank you for your efforts in improving the marketplace and being a valuable member of the eBay community. Have a wonderful time shopping and selling on eBay!
Best Regards,
The EMR Team"
I think in part that those of us reporting violations of their polices did too good of a job which meant loss of money so they did away with us. Was told to use the regular reporting function which 99% of the time does not work as I had it from a source behind the scenes while in the program that regular reports are non-priority. I have tested it several times over the years and it's been about a 99% fail rate of using the regular tool so I don't bother anymore.
Well on occasion I do like when recently while searching for records found a listing where the seller specifically said he had nothing for sale. It also had his off eBay contact info in the no item listing. Reported (just for the heck of it) and 100% fail. I've also tested it on items that are in the must be graded policy including small and big time sellers. A tiny handful were removed (maybe 2-3%) and of course big time seller 100% fail even though stating it might be a counterfeit.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
Barfvader that is disappointing but not surprising to read. Thank you for stepping up when you had the opportunity to help all of us in the hobby.
Did they completely get rid of that program? It's much, much, needed again!
Michael Jordan collector of cards and memorabilia for about 30 years.
To the best of my knowledge they still run the EMR program but not for sports cards. As I still have the email address to it I have from time to time spotted things that needed to be dealt with and sent it directly. For a few years after, although they wouldn't respond back, listings I reported did get taken care of. Past, oh maybe 5 years, the email will go thru but they don't bother with what I send them so not worth my time anymore.
As I could be a tad pushy with the people assigned to me (if you were dealing with them you would really understand why) I was able to squeeze info out of several folks getting probably way more info on the background workings of this program with things like the number of people participating globally (little over 300) so when I questioned their strategy shift I did get a response in part stating:
The EMR reporting tool was initially and specifically created to report luxury goods counterfeits in clothing, jewellery and watches categories.
And since the EMR reporting tool is not aligned to support other categories, most of your reports were transferred to the wrong categories and teams.
1st part was correct. 2nd part was not. It was aligned for some time to the other categories and I had very few issues where I needed to contact them directly with more detailed information to show them step by step what was going on. It's important to remember that during my time in the EMR program that eBay was still showing buyers names in feedback so when someone bought either a counterfeit or an actual authorized reprint (which they would doctor them to try and look real) you could show the EMR team when, where an item was bought, who bought it and how it would suddenly turn into a supposed real card.
As time went on you could see issues popping up. They had a huge turnover of staff. Weekends (starting Friday and going until sometime on Mondays) response time became zero. Sellers of garbage started noticing this and would start listings on Friday with many doing one day listings where they easily were able to sell this crap.
I do agree that they need this part of the EMR again but I don't see it happening. Way to much money to lose and eBay doesn't want that.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess