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The attached list shows all players eligible to be inducted on July 24, 2022.

MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

In your opinion, list who you think will make it, and never make it.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2022.shtml#all_hof_BBWAA

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Papi, Clemens, Schilling and Bonds

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with perk.

  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Schilling will get in. Clemens and Bonds never.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Schilling (If the BBWA can get over politics), Vizquel and Ortiz are in.

    ARod, Clemens, Bonds and Sosa not gonna happen.

  • charliej2356charliej2356 Posts: 316 ✭✭✭

    "Clemens and Bonds never."

    Landry: That's pretty funny. If they never get in, the HoF will have to be re-named the HoPG (Hall of Pretty Good). Clemens and Bonds were two of the best players, ever. Please, spare us a sermon.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would put in the big 4 mentioned above

    also, Sosa, Sheffield, Rolen and helton.

    I am a big hall guy and 3rd base is underrepresented in cooperstown

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you're going to start inducting players with a strong likelihood of using PEDs, Ortiz would be a decidedly strange place to do it. Then again, I would have said the same about Piazza a generation ago.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2021 8:42PM

    If Bonds and Clemens get in then Ortiz and A Rod are in. One gets in, all get in. All or nothing. It's that simple.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    If Bonds and Clemens get in then Ortiz and A Rod are in. One gets in, all get in. All or nothing. It's that simple.

    m

    That’s my take on it as well. I cannot stand Arod but he would deserve to get in along with guys like Palmeiro ect..

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    some of these guys get lumped into the "steroid crew" unfairly I think.

    Sheffield worked out with bonds one off season and was given some of the cream to rub on his knees. he was not told it was steroids until later. supposedly that is the only time he ever used. does that count as being a steroid user if a person legitimately does not know they are using? to my knowledge that is the only episode that ever tied Sheffield to PED

    I have been over Clemens ad nauseam over the years. absolutely no credible evidence for him using. Only a disgruntled employee and an investigator with an agenda. He needed a big name for his report and he used Clemens.

    I think Ortiz was only fingered for PED through the 2002 supposedly secret testing that was leaked years later. I am not so sure about him or the legitimacy of this allegation.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @charliej2356 said:
    "Clemens and Bonds never."

    Landry: That's pretty funny. If they never get in, the HoF will have to be re-named the HoPG (Hall of Pretty Good). Clemens and Bonds were two of the best players, ever. Please, spare us a sermon.

    What is funny? What sermon are you referring to? The sermon that I have an opinion? I hope these 2 never get in. If you want cheaters in the hall then that's your opinion. Maybe they wouldn't have been two of the best players as you put if they played by the rules???

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LandrysFedora said:

    @charliej2356 said:
    "Clemens and Bonds never."

    Landry: That's pretty funny. If they never get in, the HoF will have to be re-named the HoPG (Hall of Pretty Good). Clemens and Bonds were two of the best players, ever. Please, spare us a sermon.

    What is funny? What sermon are you referring to? The sermon that I have an opinion? I hope these 2 never get in. If you want cheaters in the hall then that's your opinion. Maybe they wouldn't have been two of the best players as you put if they played by the rules???

    That's a not unreasonable position, but consider two facts: 1) there are already "cheaters" in the HoF, both known and strongly suspected (cf. Perry, Gaylord) 2) the previously enshrined "cheaters" are far worse players, by and large, than Clemens and Bonds.

    As I said above, if you decide to start enshrining PED users, David Ortiz is a very strange place to start.

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ESPN reports 20 more players being considered by the various committees.

    https://espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32560648/gil-hodges-roger-maris-minnie-minoso-10-hall-fame-committee-ballot

    The list just reinforces my opinion that we need to disband the committees.

    Let me say that I can't speak to the merits of the Negro Leaguers, but we've been enshrining them for 50 years and there haven't been any new ones for 70. In any event, I can make no judgements from the incomplete stats. For example, Buck O'Neill is credited with 1.7 WAR. What am I supposed to do with that? At this point, how good are the ones we've left out so far, and if a Bill Dahlen type has been "overlooked" for 50 years (actually 85 for Dahlen) then is there any point to putting him in?

    I think we should have a committee to meet every ten years (I could be persuaded to go to five) to consider people whose primary contribution is not as a player (Tommy John, Curt Flood, Joe Maddon maybe).

    I understand that we are giving up the opportunity to right egregious wrongs, but Bobby Grich hasn't gotten in by the committees anyway, instead they are enshrining Harold Baines, Lee Smith, Jack Morris.

    Is anyone saying "I can't believe that Derek Jeter (or Larry Walker) is going in, but we haven't put in Allie Reynolds or Lefty O'Doul yet!" Most of the nominees (again, the 13 non-Negro Leagues) aren't that bad, but if you take the twelve holdover nominees other than Vizquel and Wagner who just don't belong on the ballot, I think in almost every case the holdover nominee compares favorably to the committee nominee, if you'll grant that it makes more sense to enshrine a Bobby Abreu who still has lots and lots of fans over a Bill Dahlen who almost nobody's parents saw play.

  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @daltex said:

    @LandrysFedora said:

    @charliej2356 said:
    "Clemens and Bonds never."

    Landry: That's pretty funny. If they never get in, the HoF will have to be re-named the HoPG (Hall of Pretty Good). Clemens and Bonds were two of the best players, ever. Please, spare us a sermon.

    What is funny? What sermon are you referring to? The sermon that I have an opinion? I hope these 2 never get in. If you want cheaters in the hall then that's your opinion. Maybe they wouldn't have been two of the best players as you put if they played by the rules???

    That's a not unreasonable position, but consider two facts: 1) there are already "cheaters" in the HoF, both known and strongly suspected (cf. Perry, Gaylord) 2) the previously enshrined "cheaters" are far worse players, by and large, than Clemens and Bonds.

    As I said above, if you decide to start enshrining PED users, David Ortiz is a very strange place to start.

    I agree Daltex, it's a real shame with Bonds too because as a National League fan I had the opportunity to see him play very often and he already had HOF God given talent without needing any "assistance" to jack up the power numbers. He had the best hand eye coordination of anyone I have seen play to this date. With that said, I will always consider Hank the home run king. Just my humble opinion.

  • LandrysFedoraLandrysFedora Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I would put in the big 4 mentioned above

    also, Sosa, Sheffield, Rolen and helton.

    I am a big hall guy and 3rd base is underrepresented in cooperstown

    Do you think Helton will be hurt because he played at Coors Field? I personally don't think he should be penalized for it but I have no vote. lol

  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see manager Danny Murtaugh is on the ballot. I would like to see him get in. He won two WS.

    Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LandrysFedora said:

    @craig44 said:
    I would put in the big 4 mentioned above

    also, Sosa, Sheffield, Rolen and helton.

    I am a big hall guy and 3rd base is underrepresented in cooperstown

    Do you think Helton will be hurt because he played at Coors Field? I personally don't think he should be penalized for it but I have no vote. lol

    I don't penalize for home field. for the most part, players cannot control where they play, only how. i don't penalize wade boggs for fenway either

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LandrysFedora said:

    @craig44 said:
    I would put in the big 4 mentioned above

    also, Sosa, Sheffield, Rolen and helton.

    I am a big hall guy and 3rd base is underrepresented in cooperstown

    Do you think Helton will be hurt because he played at Coors Field? I personally don't think he should be penalized for it but I have no vote. lol

    Yes, he will be, and no, he shouldn't be. Cf. Walker, Larry.

  • ernie11ernie11 Posts: 1,945 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2021 4:43AM

    @daltex said:
    ESPN reports 20 more players being considered by the various committees.

    https://espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32560648/gil-hodges-roger-maris-minnie-minoso-10-hall-fame-committee-ballot

    The list just reinforces my opinion that we need to disband the committees.

    Let me say that I can't speak to the merits of the Negro Leaguers, but we've been enshrining them for 50 years and there haven't been any new ones for 70. In any event, I can make no judgements from the incomplete stats. For example, Buck O'Neill is credited with 1.7 WAR. What am I supposed to do with that? At this point, how good are the ones we've left out so far, and if a Bill Dahlen type has been "overlooked" for 50 years (actually 85 for Dahlen) then is there any point to putting him in?

    I think we should have a committee to meet every ten years (I could be persuaded to go to five) to consider people whose primary contribution is not as a player (Tommy John, Curt Flood, Joe Maddon maybe).

    I understand that we are giving up the opportunity to right egregious wrongs, but Bobby Grich hasn't gotten in by the committees anyway, instead they are enshrining Harold Baines, Lee Smith, Jack Morris.

    Is anyone saying "I can't believe that Derek Jeter (or Larry Walker) is going in, but we haven't put in Allie Reynolds or Lefty O'Doul yet!" Most of the nominees (again, the 13 non-Negro Leagues) aren't that bad, but if you take the twelve holdover nominees other than Vizquel and Wagner who just don't belong on the ballot, I think in almost every case the holdover nominee compares favorably to the committee nominee, if you'll grant that it makes more sense to enshrine a Bobby Abreu who still has lots and lots of fans over a Bill Dahlen who almost nobody's parents saw play.

    I hate be the voice of the status quo, but I think by and large the baseball writers have gotten it right judging those players among these committees' nominees who haven't been inducted. With the possible exception of Gil Hodges and maybe Dick Allen, I don't see any name that screams Hall of Fame to me. Allie Reynolds? Billy Pierce? I don't think so.

  • sayheywyosayheywyo Posts: 499 ✭✭✭✭

    Bold prediction: None, Schilling gets elected and declines. Bud Fowler makes it since he was a first.

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