I need information on Hans Schulman sale for Nov. 20, 1965 lot 3345....please

coinsarefun

I have a very rare R9
1876 Liberty Head 27mm copper Counter Token 13 Stars, Liberty 1876 REPUBLICA ARGENTINA NGC MS63BN
Almost assuredly from Benjamin Fauver's very extensive collection. The only information Russell Rulau is to give reference to an auction in 1965. I really need to see what's said about it possibly who owned it. This is the last piece I need to finish the Argentinian counter pieces.......besides the $5D with id R7 or 8 but have not seen one to date. Not even smashed up one....

Anyways here is my newest piece and any help would be appreciated greatly.
Not exactly thrilled with the scratch on the reverse which looked like a die crack in the auction images but.......at this rarity
go find another......lol

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This is the remaining of the collection which is 2 of the $10d one copper, one brass and one brass 1 1/2D

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And, a copy of the page for refrence on the bottom right

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djm

Did you try the Newman Portal to see if that catalog had been scaned in?

coinsarefun

@djm said:
Did you try the Newman Portal to see if that catalog had been scaned in?

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Yes, I did search but I must admit it’s not easy to search that site

coinsarefun

One more bump to see if anyone can help me out.
As been pointed out it might be in the Newman portal but I find it so very difficult to search and use.

edwardjulio

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Dr_Bones

https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/auctionlots?AucCoId=511647&AuctionId=516879
The sale only went to 3073 lots
I know nothing about these coins. There is a listed 1876 coin, lot 89, but I am not sure it is the one you are looking for. It states a photo at rear of catalog, but as I scanned, I did not see it

MetroD

I am not, repeat NOT, an expert on old coin auction catalogues.

That said, I think that this is the Schulman catalog from 11/18-20/65.
Unfortunately, I could not locate lot #3345.

Do not know if it will help, but here is the source.

Edited to Add: these links are not to the Newman portal.

jesbroken

Not sure if this is it or not, Steph.
Jim

MetroD

@jesbroken said:
Not sure if this is it or not, Steph.
Jim

FWIW

Lot #89 on 11/18/65 (S#1) was "withdrawn".
Reference (Catalog page #13).

Interestingly, lot #3345 on 11/24/64 (S#6) appears to be very similar.
Reference (Catalog page #105).

Similarities:
~ Argentina
~ USA Type Pattern
~ 10 Pesos
~ 1876
~ Obv. like US $10 Liberty Head
~ Rev Arms
~ Bronze
~ Brill. Unc.

coinsarefun

@MetroD said:

@jesbroken said:
Not sure if this is it or not, Steph.
Jim

FWIW

Lot #89 on 11/18/65 (S#1) was "withdrawn".
Reference (Catalog page #13).

Interestingly, lot #3345 on 11/24/64 (S#6) appears to be very similar.
Reference (Catalog page #105).

Similarities:
~ Argentina
~ USA Type Pattern
~ 10 Pesos
~ 1876
~ Obv. like US $10 Liberty Head
~ Rev Arms
~ Bronze
~ Brill. Unc.

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Thanks, So far this has lead me to what I believe is the obverse and, its is a pattern of Chile

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I found actually 2 recorded sales of the obverse die pattern being a Liberty Head. In both instances mine is on the
left and the examples are on the right. I overlaid them and they are the same so.......what is a pattern coin dies being used on a token?
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The reverse does not match up but still searching for that one. Immediately I knew the description was not mine because of the Rev Arms description.

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MetroD

@coinsarefun said:

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The reverse does not match up but still searching for that one. Immediately I knew the description was not mine because of the Rev Arms description.

I could be wrong, but the reverse of your token sort of looks like the Argentina coat of arms.
Reference

Coinosaurus

For auction catalogs, select library -> auction companies from the front page of Newman Portal. That should get you where you want to go quickly.

coinsarefun

I can’t thank the ones who helped me so far enough……..you guys are great!
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I did find the reverse in one of Benjamin Fauver’s books. But not the obverse. Still have had no luck finding what he refers to in the auction other than what @MetroD found. It describes it best except the reverse is not the same. The reverse actually describes the pattern coin from Chile to the T. I’m thing Russel R had it wrong as far as referring to the auction but right when he lists it as R9
I just wish I could find one more picture that matches mine.

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And he lists it highlighted in the red box.

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MrEureka

FWIW, the "scratch" looks like an as-made strike-through to me.

coinsarefun

@MrEureka said:
FWIW, the "scratch" looks like an as-made strike-through to me.

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After someone else pointed out on Instagram I looked better and do agree it’s a strike through.
But still doesn’t explain why Russell thought to refer this to a certain auction that we can’t find and the closest one to it describes as ARM reverse.

Martin

This is yet another great thread Their is a lot of great minds and helping people on this forum. Hope you find what you are looking for Steph

Martin

coinsarefun

I found these three that sold back in 2014 at Stacks. I wish there was a way to get a hold of the owner and see if
they would be willing to sell. Has anyone done this before? I know at Heritage it can be done but Stacks does not
outwardly promote it.
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If some knows how to contact Stacks I would LOVE to purchase this and put it into my collection.

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MetroD

@coinsarefun said:
I found these three that sold back in 2014 at Stacks. I wish there was a way to get a hold of the owner and see if
they would be willing to sell. Has anyone done this before? I know at Heritage it can be done but Stacks does not
outwardly promote it.
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If some knows how to contact Stacks I would LOVE to purchase this and put it into my collection.

NOT a service tailored to my budget, but SBG does offer 'Client Advisory Services'.

Per the webpage, they offer assistance with "acquisitions and sales".

If nothing else, it is a place to start.

Good Luck !!!

coinsarefun

Thank you very much @MetroD ill try that