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Think these are really sharp

But the assigned grader for the most part did not hold that opinion. I am not sure if it is even close to worth it to resubmit. I know not at these price levels but maybe a handful after things open back up. Cracking and resubmitting to get a fresh new opinion was always a big part of my game. I was highly successful as well. Now that seems a no go. Anyway here are the scans.









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  • Kid4hof03Kid4hof03 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some great looking cards in there Mike. I love that 77 Winfield.

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  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kid4hof03 said:
    Some great looking cards in there Mike. I love that 77 Winfield.

    Me too. I am excited about the Schmidt. Would have loved to score Mint on just a few more though.

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  • Kid4hof03Kid4hof03 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man, I got so caught up on the Winfield that I didn't even see the Schmidt. Congratulations, great card! I love the simple set design of 1977, makes Mint and NM/MT cards just pop, especially the all stars.

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  • dontippetdontippet Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭✭

    I always loved the 70's Yaz cards.

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  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭

    Very Nice. I love the '77s too. I have recently had similar luck. I wouldn't suggest resubbing at the present time though. Hold off until the "dust settles" a little more. I have had dozens of 1977 Topps recently grade 7 or 8 that I felt were nicer than that. I am not sure if it is due to "new" standards or new graders? I am waiting on subbing any 70s cards for this very reason (as well as the current fee structure being prohibitive for me to justify doing so). Although, I do have a 59 card sub of Topps '75 , '76, and '77s in progress right now. :# I am keeping my fingers crossed.

  • AANVAANV Posts: 338 ✭✭✭

    If only you had submitted these cards in 2010, you'd be swimming in PSA 10s.

  • GoDodgersFanGoDodgersFan Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭

    Sharp cards. Given the price of grading right now, crack and resubmit is just not an option. Might as well keep this in your collection.

  • Kepper19Kepper19 Posts: 335 ✭✭✭

    left/right centering is the culprit on most of the 77's, from my viewpoint -- all in all, very nice cards tho, but as stated above, not worth resubmitting, even if the price were to go down to $50 at some point...

  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kepper19 said:
    left/right centering is the culprit on most of the 77's, from my viewpoint -- all in all, very nice cards tho, but as stated above, not worth resubmitting, even if the price were to go down to $50 at some point...

    Yeah none are getting resubbed. Maybe I am blind but the l/r on most of the 77s is 9 level or better. Maybe off a little top to bottom or some other issue but it is not l/r

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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know if is the reason for your lower than expected grades, but I have always found the 1977 Topps baseball cardstock to be a little suspect. That being said, it sure looks like you have a few more 9s in the bunch, and I don't agree with L/R centering being your problem.

  • maddux69maddux69 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry to see it. Those are very nice and would have guessed there would be quite a few 9's among the bunch at the very least.

  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2021 6:00AM

    @bobbybakeriv said:
    Very Nice. I love the '77s too. I have recently had similar luck. I wouldn't suggest resubbing at the present time though. Hold off until the "dust settles" a little more. I have had dozens of 1977 Topps recently grade 7 or 8 that I felt were nicer than that. I am not sure if it is due to "new" standards or new graders? I am waiting on subbing any 70s cards for this very reason (as well as the current fee structure being prohibitive for me to justify doing so). Although, I do have a 59 card sub of Topps '75 , '76, and '77s in progress right now. :# I am keeping my fingers crossed.

    For the record, and at extremely superstitious risk on my part, I am sharing the last sub I currently have in the hopper. I love these cards, and aside from the '75 Erving, they are all high grade IMHO. I would not submit a card that I deem lower than 8 and that is a low-ball guess to me. The Erving is absolutely gem aside from a significant chip on the left border (damage?). Still, simply too nice not to encapsulate otherwise. These are a part of my obsessive-compulsive horde of '70s cards collected over the past 40 years. LOL I haven't even begun '78-80 yet but I'll get there - or my kin will! However, if I bomb on these, my grading days may be limited. :) Good luck in the future Gents! It's a roller coaster ride but exhilarating.

  • threeofsixthreeofsix Posts: 579 ✭✭✭✭

    @bobbybakeriv Great List…thanks for sharing!! I can’t wait to see the actuals! And thanks for being so “brave”!!!

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  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bobbybakeriv said:

    @bobbybakeriv said:
    Very Nice. I love the '77s too. I have recently had similar luck. I wouldn't suggest resubbing at the present time though. Hold off until the "dust settles" a little more. I have had dozens of 1977 Topps recently grade 7 or 8 that I felt were nicer than that. I am not sure if it is due to "new" standards or new graders? I am waiting on subbing any 70s cards for this very reason (as well as the current fee structure being prohibitive for me to justify doing so). Although, I do have a 59 card sub of Topps '75 , '76, and '77s in progress right now. :# I am keeping my fingers crossed.

    For the record and at extreme superstitious risk on my part, I am sharing the last sub I currently have in the hopper. I love these cards, and aside from the 75 Erving, they are all very high grade IMHO. I would not submit a card that I deem lower than 8 and that is a low-ball guess to me. The Erving is absolutely GEM aside from a significant chip on the left border. Simply too nice not to encapsulate otherwise. These are a part of my obsessive-compulsive horde of '70s cards collected over the past 40 years. LOL I haven't even begun '78-80 yet but I'll get there - or my kin will! However, if I bomb on these, my grading days may be limited. :) Good luck in the future Gents! It's a roller coaster ride but exhilarating.

    Bobby I am the same way. My OCD will not let me submit anything from the 70s I will not get at least an 8 and anything from the mid 80s that would not get at least a 9. In my opinion. All the 77s were taken from a set that was beautiful. I subbed the Dale Murphy from it at the same time at the Regular level it got a PSA 10. It popped last December. I thought several of these cards were on the same level. When your cards are gone for a year that is a lot of time for them to be in float and not have something minor occur to them to lessen the grade. I think it is more about the consistency of grading, it has always been a problem. Before the boom, like I said I would crack and send back with a 90% bump rate after an order like this. I am not kidding I wish I kept all the scans to prove it. It is just not feasible anymore at turnaround time and prices. That is why I am so adamant that graders names should be published on every order and reviewed for extreme strictness or leniency.

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  • bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭

    @Rexvos I absolutely get it and think you are on to something. Don't quit the fight though, you have some great cards!

  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭

    A different standard of centering was applied to your sub. The 9 Schmidt and the 8's are almost perfectly centered on many. The 7's were just a touch off; but still well centered. I don't think you got a fair shake. You have to keep them with no chance to resubmit.

  • Kepper19Kepper19 Posts: 335 ✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:
    I don't know if is the reason for your lower than expected grades, but I have always found the 1977 Topps baseball cardstock to be a little suspect. That being said, it sure looks like you have a few more 9s in the bunch, and I don't agree with L/R centering being your problem.

    we'll agree to disagree -- if you look at the l/r centering at the top of the photo on the Schmidt, Rice, Brett, Eck, Brooks -- all are a decent amount to the left -- and a number of the cards have 7 to 8-ish t/b centering, like the Brett, Ryan, McCovey, Carter...I think they are really nice looking cards, but when just looking at the l/r and t/b centering on the 77 cards, I can easily see why there were a number of 7's and 8's...and that is just the centering...not trying to say they aren't nice cards, but the grades seem to be fairly accurate when only considering the centering on many of the cards...getting 9's and 10's on cards from the 70's is obviously very tough...not only would the cards had to have been kept in pristine condition all these years, but the card/printing quality back then was not good, as everyone knows...

  • CMKLCMKL Posts: 67 ✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2021 1:05PM

    I don’t see any scans of the back of your cards.

    Don’t forget to look at the backs of your cards to see if there are any dings on the corners. Mint fronts can be deceiving and your cards can become near mint cards with slight corner issues on the back.

  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CMKL said:
    I don’t see any scans of the back of your cards.

    Don’t forget to look at the backs of your cards to see if there are any dings on the corners. Mint fronts can be deceiving and your cards can become near mint cards with slight corner issues on the back.

    I am aware.

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  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kepper19 said:

    @nam812 said:
    I don't know if is the reason for your lower than expected grades, but I have always found the 1977 Topps baseball cardstock to be a little suspect. That being said, it sure looks like you have a few more 9s in the bunch, and I don't agree with L/R centering being your problem.

    we'll agree to disagree -- if you look at the l/r centering at the top of the photo on the Schmidt, Rice, Brett, Eck, Brooks -- all are a decent amount to the left -- and a number of the cards have 7 to 8-ish t/b centering, like the Brett, Ryan, McCovey, Carter...I think they are really nice looking cards, but when just looking at the l/r and t/b centering on the 77 cards, I can easily see why there were a number of 7's and 8's...and that is just the centering...not trying to say they aren't nice cards, but the grades seem to be fairly accurate when only considering the centering on many of the cards...getting 9's and 10's on cards from the 70's is obviously very tough...not only would the cards had to have been kept in pristine condition all these years, but the card/printing quality back then was not good, as everyone knows...

    I agree with almost every point but the l/r centering I guess we just see it differently. I am not saying all should be bumped either. It is also hard for me to take anyone serious with one of those goofy smiley face avatars.

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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2021 5:53PM

    I don’t feel like getting out a ruler, but I don’t believe hardly any card from this sub has L/R centering worse than 60/40. Most look a good bit better than that. Possibly the Brett 7 and the Brooks 8, which is diamond cut so the centering is further off at the top of the card. So I’m not sure why that is being mentioned.

  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulMaul said:
    I don’t feel like getting out a ruler, but I don’t believe hardly any card from this sub has L/R centering worse than 60/40. Most look a good bit better than that. Possibly the Brett 7 and the Brooks 8, which is diamond cut so the centering is further off at the top of the card. So I’m not sure why that is being mentioned.

    maybe I just found out who graded my sub.

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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭

    @rexvos said:

    @PaulMaul said:
    I don’t feel like getting out a ruler, but I don’t believe hardly any card from this sub has L/R centering worse than 60/40. Most look a good bit better than that. Possibly the Brett 7 and the Brooks 8, which is diamond cut so the centering is further off at the top of the card. So I’m not sure why that is being mentioned.

    maybe I just found out who graded my sub.

    The L-R centering on those cards is terrific. If anyone is simply using the 50-50 as the only standard then they don't understand grading. 60-40 and better is well centered. Most of the cards you showed are 55-45 or better L-R.

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