‘76 Payton

Cubsfan71 · October 13, 2021 5:39PM

I traded for this Payton RC to add to my personal collection last weekend. I’ve only been back in collecting for the last couple of years. Does this look better than a 4? How do you think it would crossover to a PSA grade?

Bosox1976 · October 13, 2021 5:58PM

Nice! I’d say just about right. Maybe a 6 oc, or a straight 4.

picklepete · October 14, 2021 8:29AM

An iconic card like this i would sub to PSA.

Ahmanfan · October 14, 2021 9:15AM

Fine looking card.

detroitfan2 · October 14, 2021 10:09AM

I would also be curious to see what PSA grades it. That centering seems fine to me for a 6.

GDM67 · October 14, 2021 3:55PM

That seems like a heavy penalty for centering. That card has flaws but it's still seriously nice, especially for that grade.

jimq · October 14, 2021 4:26PM

I'm new and trying to learn - is there something on the surface upper left or is that just the picture? I agree nice card!

ldferg · October 14, 2021 8:42PM

Love the Payton rookie. Check that bottom edge.

Cakes · October 15, 2021 11:16AM

Nice pickup, looks undergraded. May we ask what you paid?

Cubsfan71 · October 17, 2021 6:14PM

@Cakes yeah, traded a '59 Jim Brown, a PSA 4. So, older PSA 4, but not a rookie. Thought the same thing, that it looked slightly undergraded. I wondered if the dealer undervalued it since it was a HGA grade? I've also wondered how PSA is influenced by the grading of other companies.

daltex · October 17, 2021 8:49PM

@Cubsfan71 said:
@Cakes yeah, traded a '59 Jim Brown, a PSA 4. So, older PSA 4, but not a rookie. Thought the same thing, that it looked slightly undergraded. I wondered if the dealer undervalued it since it was a HGA grade? I've also wondered how PSA is influenced by the grading of other companies.

If I saw an HGA graded card, the first thing I would think is that it was counterfeit or tampered with. It would take a lot to even get me to examine the card closely or try to figure out if HGA was a legitimate company. I suspect I'm far from unusual.

Cubsfan71 · October 18, 2021 2:01PM

@daltex what makes you say that about HGA? I just do this for fun so no real dog in the hunt here, but have they done something to damage their reputation? They were grading at a really large Nashville show. I know they are pretty new, but not reputable?

nam812 · October 18, 2021 2:51PM

If authentic and unaltered, it would not look out of place in a PSA 5 holder.

daltex · October 18, 2021 8:23PM

@Cubsfan71 said:
@daltex what makes you say that about HGA? I just do this for fun so no real dog in the hunt here, but have they done something to damage their reputation? They were grading at a really large Nashville show. I know they are pretty new, but not reputable?

Nothing. That's my entire point. If I see a potentially valuable card I'm going to wonder why it's not in the slab of a company that I've heard of. If I think it might be a really good deal, I might research HGA or I might not bother because then I'd be in the position of having to convince a buyer that HGA was legit. So far this thread hasn't even made me interested enough to Google HGA. As I said, I suspect I'm far from unusual.

Cakes · October 20, 2021 9:23AM

@Cubsfan71 said:
@daltex what makes you say that about HGA? I just do this for fun so no real dog in the hunt here, but have they done something to damage their reputation? They were grading at a really large Nashville show. I know they are pretty new, but not reputable?

I don't know anything about HGA but I dislike how they grade.
7, 6.5, 6, and 3 should be closer to a 5.5/5, not a 4.

daltex · October 20, 2021 8:33PM

@Cakes said:

@Cubsfan71 said:
@daltex what makes you say that about HGA? I just do this for fun so no real dog in the hunt here, but have they done something to damage their reputation? They were grading at a really large Nashville show. I know they are pretty new, but not reputable?

I don't know anything about HGA but I dislike how they grade.
7, 6.5, 6, and 3 should be closer to a 5.5/5, not a 4.

I thought that I heard that one of the second tier services (Beckett, SGC, GAI) had a rule that the grade couldn't be more than a point higher than the lowest subgrade. That may be in play here.

craig44 · October 21, 2021 4:44AM

^^^^ this is correct. BGS.

craig44 · October 21, 2021 4:45AM

I would consider a card graded by any brand new company as raw until they get some time/experience under their belts.

Cakes · October 21, 2021 7:46AM

@daltex said:

@Cakes said:

@Cubsfan71 said:
@daltex what makes you say that about HGA? I just do this for fun so no real dog in the hunt here, but have they done something to damage their reputation? They were grading at a really large Nashville show. I know they are pretty new, but not reputable?

I don't know anything about HGA but I dislike how they grade.
7, 6.5, 6, and 3 should be closer to a 5.5/5, not a 4.

I thought that I heard that one of the second tier services (Beckett, SGC, GAI) had a rule that the grade couldn't be more than a point higher than the lowest subgrade. That may be in play here.

Thanks for the info. Even then a 3 for centering seems harsh.

Unless I am missing something or it turns out to be trimmed, etc... it looks like a nice PSA 5. Nice trade you made.

‘76 Payton

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