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39o half...or is it?

jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The giant O variety?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,643 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is.

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  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    It is.

    Tom, no talking during the quiz 😅

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, unique as well

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obviously there are enough diagnostics here to determine this... but I realized that I don't know how many marriages there where for the 39o?
    Are there any shared reverses between the 38 and 39 mintage?
    I assume that the reverse cracks would be enough to attribute, but are there any diagnostics on the obverse that seal the deal?

  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Re-engraved O

  • HalfDimeDudeHalfDimeDude Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally I do not rely on die cracks as a diagnostic test, as you arent always sure of die state of the specimen. Yes true some are and stand out, however how many times have you attributed a coin only to get to the point where all the pups are there but no cracks.
    I would use other known diagnostics as key points than cracks that may or may not be present.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jayPem said:
    Obviously there are enough diagnostics here to determine this... but I realized that I don't know how many marriages there where for the 39o?
    Are there any shared reverses between the 38 and 39 mintage?
    I assume that the reverse cracks would be enough to attribute, but are there any diagnostics on the obverse that seal the deal?

    The 39-O had five die marriages using three obverses and three reverses. It's estimated that 95% of 39-O's are GR-1's, which shared its reverse with the 38-O only (i.e., no other die marriages).

    The OP coin's reverse has diagnostic cracks to prove it is a 39-O GR-1. Obverse diagnostics are unnecessary but the slightly higher and tilted-left 9 is evident.
    Lance.

  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    39 OH!!!

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just 1 DM for the 38o?
    Are there early die states for the 39o GR-1 without the heavy reverse crack, or was it already there?
    How about on the 38o?
    Cracked reverse or no?

    @lkeigwin said:

    @jayPem said:
    Obviously there are enough diagnostics here to determine this... but I realized that I don't know how many marriages there where for the 39o?
    Are there any shared reverses between the 38 and 39 mintage?
    I assume that the reverse cracks would be enough to attribute, but are there any diagnostics on the obverse that seal the deal?

    The 39-O had five die marriages using three obverses and three reverses. It's estimated that 95% of 39-O's are GR-1's, which shared its reverse with the 38-O only (i.e., no other die marriages).

    The OP coin's reverse has diagnostic cracks to prove it is a 39-O GR-1. Obverse diagnostics are unnecessary but the slightly higher and tilted-left 9 is evident.
    Lance.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just one DM for the 38-O. Dick Graham's treatise on Reeded Edge Half Dollars says all examples have some degree of reverse die cracks. So its second use on the 39-O GR-1 would also have them.

    There's a lot of fun intrigue about the minting of 38-O bust halves. Some 20 or so were produced in two batches over several months, IIRC. I think fewer than a dozen are known to exist.

    @tomb, who was heavily involved with the content and publication of Dick's book, has better information, I'm sure.
    Lance.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fascinating! Thanks Lance 👍

    I find it interesting that Overton studied the FH and DB halves but not the Reeded edge series..
    Must of considered himself to be strictly a screw press man 😅

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